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The Terminator, California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, is trying to get a bill signed that would make it illegal to sell "M" rated games to minors. Like the article says, "this is all nothing but hypocrisy of the highest order."

 

Now I'm all for preventing minors playing "M" games, but that's your decision as a parent. The poor guy at Gamestop should not be charged with a crime for selling a video game to a kid. They don't arrest parents for taking their kids to a "R" movie or the ticket counter person for selling the ticket.

 

Sign the petition to fight against the ridiculous bill.

 

http://action.theeca.com/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=1781

 

http://www.videogamevoters.org/

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Wait....I get your stance. Parent's SHOULD moderate what their kids buy.

 

But.....DON'T YOU HAVE TO DRIVE THEM TO GAMESTOP ANYWAY?! Get out and go in and buy it....that's what most the parent's are doing anyhow. This bill SEEMS to just ensure that at midnight releases, when we go home to play, we won't have to deal with 11 year olds!

 

I'm so for that.

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Wait....I get your stance. Parent's SHOULD moderate what their kids buy.

 

But.....DON'T YOU HAVE TO DRIVE THEM TO GAMESTOP ANYWAY?! Get out and go in and buy it....that's what most the parent's are doing anyhow. This bill SEEMS to just ensure that at midnight releases, when we go home to play, we won't have to deal with 11 year olds!

 

I'm so for that.

 

Actually the last midnight release I went to I saw parents just sending their kids in with the money. This is about the state generating fines and maybe a few jobs. Instead of cops being out fighting real crime they will be doing stings on video game shops and of course the state will need to hire more workers to process the paperwork. California is in such a huge financial hole that why they are concerned with video games right now is completely beyond me. Arnold just put over 200,000 state employees on minimum wage to save money and that barely made any news but I bet this will.

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Crusty_Demons;813743']Actually the last midnight release I went to I saw parents just sending their kids in with the money. This is about the state generating fines and maybe a few jobs. Instead of cops being out fighting real crime they will be doing stings on video game shops and of course the state will need to hire more workers to process the paperwork. California is in such a huge financial hole that why they are concerned with video games right now is completely beyond me. Arnold just put over 200' date='000 state employees on minimum wage to save money and that barely made any news but I bet this will.[/quote']

 

Exactly. This is complete horse shit.

 

This article sums it up pretty good on why you should care.

 

http://www.ea.com/blogs/ea-underground/care-schwarzenegger-ema

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Lol I don't understand why you guys care so much about this topic. I'm glad a state finally has the balls to put their foot down. In their eyes, they see it as someone has to look out for the kids since most parents don't. Sucks for the 16 and 17 year olds over there but that's life. At least it's a start, I know you guys just LOVE when kids are in games with you and have no idea what's going on. And they always talk shit in their "my balls haven't dropped yet" high voices. I'm not saying I hate kids, but when I get on SOCOM the last thing I want to do is work with someone that gives me a headache whenever the click their mic.

 

One other thing is how will they enforce it. No doubt it will turn into entering info from a drivers license into the computer. Illinois passed a no texting/emailing while driving and even that's hard as shit to enforce.

 

Parent's aren't doing their jobs so that's why the state feels it needs to step in. And it's not like the governor wrote the bill. This just forces parents to be more involved. If Johney 14 year old want's a game, mom or dad will have to get off their ass and get out of the car and buy it. And they'll have to listen to a rant about why the game is rated the way it is. And maybe they'll think wow...my kid is too young for this shit. Or "I need to get more involved cause I don't know about this game."

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JoeyT_;813847']Lol I don't understand why you guys care so much about this topic. I'm glad a state finally has the balls to put their foot down. In their eyes' date=' they see it as someone has to look out for the kids since most parents don't. Sucks for the 16 and 17 year olds over there but that's life. At least it's a start, I know you guys just LOVE when kids are in games with you and have no idea what's going on. And they always talk shit in their "my balls haven't dropped yet" high voices. I'm not saying I hate kids, but when I get on SOCOM the last thing I want to do is work with someone that gives me a headache whenever the click their mic.

 

One other thing is how will they enforce it. No doubt it will turn into entering info from a drivers license into the computer. Illinois passed a no texting/emailing while driving and even that's hard as shit to enforce.

 

Parent's aren't doing their jobs so that's why the state feels it needs to step in. And it's not like the governor wrote the bill. This just forces parents to be more involved. If Johney 14 year old want's a game, mom or dad will have to get off their ass and get out of the car and buy it. And they'll have to listen to a rant about why the game is rated the way it is. And maybe they'll think wow...my kid is too young for this shit. Or "I need to get more involved cause I don't know about this game."[/quote']

 

Are you kidding me?!! You think its OK for the goverenment to step in to tell me how to raise my kid?!! Are you serious?!! This isn't about abuse or anything of the sort. Did you even read the article from EA?

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Yes I read it. And I am serious. I obviously didn't mean all parents, I know mine were great because they asked questions and didn't just ignore everything I did. I'm not saying all parents ignore their kids, I doubt most parents on UF do, but come on it's not the worst thing. This is no different than being carded at a R rated movie. This is for parents that DONT CARE.

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No, I hear ya. I just think the system(s) we have in place are sufficient. Having the government basically try and tell parents, American parents, what they think is morally OK to show their children is absolutely and unequivocally wrong. Its none of their friggin' business. As long as I'm not exposing them to something illegal. Like porn, for example.

 

But to stay on topic. The difference here between the the movie theatre not carding for "R" rated movies, is that that teenager selling the tickets is not going to get a fine like this law is proposing. And with fines come jail time, if repeat offenses occur or the fine isn't paid. Which is wrong. Should the guy at Gamestop be fired for selling "M" rated games to someone under 18yoa, definitely. Should he face criminal charges, absolutely not.

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IRISH BULL;813876']No' date=' I hear ya. I just think the system(s) we have in place are sufficient. Having the government basically try and tell parents, American parents, what they think is morally OK to show their children is absolutely and unequivocally wrong. Its none of their friggin' business. As long as I'm not exposing them to something illegal. Like porn, for example.

 

But to stay on topic. The difference here between the the movie theatre not carding for "R" rated movies, is that that teenager selling the tickets is not going to get a fine like this law is proposing. And with fines come jail time, if repeat offenses occur or the fine isn't paid. Which is wrong. Should the guy at Gamestop be fired for selling "M" rated games to someone under 18yoa, definitely. Should he face criminal charges, absolutely not.

 

When did porn become illegal? Shit I'm gonna be busy for a while got a lot of hdd cleaning to do. :Cry:

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you want me to vote against a govenor that just made it illegal to use welfare debit cards at tattoo parlors and casino atm's? fuck that. so you gotta get your parents or some adult to buy you a rated M video game. big deal. you gotta be 21 to buy booze, 18 to buy porn or smokes, and yet underage people pull it off all the time. seems to me that what arnie is doin aint hurtin a soul, and he is actually doin a few good things to boot!!!

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The law is essentially a cheap excuse for those old hardcore conservatives who need to fulfill their "social agenda", i am sorry if this goes against your opinion, or anyones opinions, but this is stupid. Seriously targeting video games? come on, i bet if they were targeting the type of car you buy, all of you would be flipping the fuck out.

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xPUDDYTATx;818250']you want me to vote against a govenor that just made it illegal to use welfare debit cards at tattoo parlors and casino atm's? fuck that. so you gotta get your parents or some adult to buy you a rated M video game. big deal. you gotta be 21 to buy booze' date=' 18 to buy porn or smokes, and yet underage people pull it off all the time. seems to me that what arnie is doin aint hurtin a soul, and he is actually doin a few good things to boot!!![/quote']

 

So your for censorship? Because that's basically what this law is. Wait, check that, not basically, it IS censorship. And comparing alcohol and cigs to this law is like comparing apples and oranges.

 

And just because some douche bag politician does a few good things, does not give him complete autonomy to do whatever else he wants. Especially when it goes against the US Constitution.

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Might actually force kids to get up off the couch and go play sports or do something productive other than spending 10 hours a day playing video games. I didn't even game much as a teenager. I was too busy playing outside and interacting with real life people. I remember I couldn't wait for summertime, being able to to go the pool and going on trips and now all I see is young kids staying at home and playing video games all day long during their summer breaks. I see this law as a good thing, not as censorship. It might spark kids and teens into becoming more active. Nothing is sadder than going into a public room and hearing a kid cussing up a storm over a video game lol.

 

And since you brought up the reference of "porn" and "illegal", it still doesn't make sense. Two sixteen year olds in this country can be sexually active and even make a baby, but they can't go to a store a purchase a porno flick where the actions in that film are already being done by the 2 sixteen year olds? That's like saying you can go outside and fly a kite, but it's illegal to watch someone else flying a kite. Yet, no one is out there complaining about censorship.

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Nikastylez;818291']Might actually force kids to get up off the couch and go play sports or do something productive other than spending 10 hours a day playing video games. I didn't even game much as a teenager. I was too busy playing outside and interacting with real life people. I remember I couldn't wait for summertime' date=' being able to to go the pool and going on trips and now all I see is young kids staying at home and playing video games all day long during their summer breaks. I see this law as a good thing, not as censorship. It might spark kids and teens into becoming more active. Nothing is sadder than going into a public room and hearing a kid cussing up a storm over a video game lol.

 

And since you brought up the reference of "porn" and "illegal", it still doesn't make sense. Two sixteen year olds in this country can be sexually active and even make a baby, but they can't go to a store a purchase a porno flick where the actions in that film are already being done by the 2 sixteen year olds? That's like saying you can go outside and fly a kite, but it's illegal to watch someone else flying a kite. Yet, no one is out there complaining about censorship.[/quote']

 

So you think it's a good thing that the government tells you how to raise your children?

 

And your child pornography analogy doesn't make sense, IMO.

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Also, it baffles me that anyone HERE would be for this bill?!! And I would ask this question, do you consider video games as a form of art? Like movies and books? Because if you do, there is no way in hell you can be for this bill.

 

And do me favor, watch this video. He explains a hell of a lot better than me why this bill could be sooooo damaging to us gamers.

 

http://g4tv.com/videos/49582/X-Play-Supreme-Court-Coverage---Extended-Ted-Price-Interview/

 

I encourage everyone to watch it. But if you don't, in a nut shell he says that if this becomes a law, then video games as we know and love will eventually cease to exist. Because stores like Gamestop, Walmart, Best Buy, etc., will not carry these games due to it being to much of a risk to sell these games.

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holy fuck man, your right. i never realized it before this. now i know why i cant buy beer anymore. all the liquor stores closed down because 19 year olds cant get beer. there are no more r rated or nc-17 movies anymore because kids cant go see em.

 

go to your local gamestop, and look at all the games. tel me exactly how many of them are rated m. the fuckin Wii is very popular, and almost every game for it is rated E for everyone. all EA sports games are rated E for everyone if im not mistaken, and they are rather popular. seems like gamestiop would still exist with rated M gmaes, and to say walmart and best buy would cease to exist is total bullshit. have you been to a wal-mart lately? what percentage of the store is dedicated to video games? take all video games out of walmat, they still sell a million different products. best buy? you mean to tell me that if they couldtn sell rated M games to minors, thta their electronics sales would go away? total bullshit.

 

this is not a bill telling you how to raise your kids. this is a bill helping parents decide what they want their children to have access to. do you personally want your child to have the ability to pretend that they are running around shooting the shit out of everything they see? then go buy them the game. this bill doesnt say kids can t have the game, it only controls how they get their hands on it. i se no way that the video game industry crumbles because of this bill. i see no way major corporations like best buy and wal mart go belly up cuz children under 18 cannot buy a video game. i se no legitimate arguement as to how this bill is telling people how to raise their own children. i personally am 100% against censorship, and i do not like our government, but in this particular situation, i see nothing wrong with what is propsed. all i see is a lot of one sided arguements by uninformed people.

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This law is in now way telling parents how they raise their kids. It about game stores not giving 2 shits about a rating and selling to anyone to make a buck. You tell me how parents can be with their children 24-7. Tell me you never do anything that your parents do not know.

 

I can tell you I have heard no less than 25 times over the last 7 years while online gaming, about how a parent has caught their child playing a M-Rated game that they did not give permission for the kid to buy. Their have been numerous complaints about it as well. The game has a rating for a reason. It is not to be sold to anyone under age. plain and simple. Puddy has hit this right on the mark.

 

If a parent has no objection to their child owning or renting this game, they can make sure they are there for the purchase or rental. This is not censorship at all. This is making companies selling these games responsible to who they sell it to. Just like alcohol.

 

As a parent I know I can only do my best to teach my child. I can teach her and trust her to do the right things. I can tell her all about life that I know and have learned. I do know however the pressure of being a teenager will at some time, possibly have her make a bad choice or try to. Like buy beer. Like try to sneek into a r rated or even a M rated movie. Buy a game that is rated M. In any of those cases I hope the clerk is responsible enough to ask her for ID. That is their job in situations such as these.

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You guys keep mentioning that all you think it is, is a tool for parents. Well, last time I checked, there already was a perfectly good system in place. And it's not a government organization.

 

And if you don't think that making it a crime, a CRIME, to sell an "M" rated game to a minor will not result in censorship, then all I can say is baaaaa.

 

Let me also address a few points brought up. I don't think this is the government trying to tell you how to raise your kids. But it was mentioned that if this law helped kids get off of video games, then that is essentially the government helping you raise your kids. Which again, is none of their damn business.

 

And I never said that those stores I mentioned would go belly up. But if this law is passed and it spreads nation wide, they will stop selling games with a big "18" sticker on it. In fear that they will get fined. It's the same reason why the movie business fought and won against a law like this in the 70's.

 

Let me pose a question like this to you guys. Do you think a company like Treyarch, Zipper, or Infinity War will spend the kind of money they have spent making games if only a select few stores carry their games? So you can say good-bye to games like SOCOM, MW2, and so on.

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Puddy........if you say that the gaming industry does not need M rated games....please go and get a Wii and spend your time playing those E rated games? Aside from the great games Nintendo puts out, the Wii is oversaturated with party games developed in 2 months, quality is bad.

 

Also what does it say about the parents when they NEED the government to intervene on this......

 

Like i said, this is just a scapegoat from larger issues, some old republicans nearing retirement and getting their social agenda through.

 

Seriously, how are you guys for that bill?

 

That bill has nothing to do with playing outside, or exercise, FUCK DOES THE GOVERNMENT CARE ABOUT WHAT I DO WITH MY LEISURE TIME?

 

The ESRB system is perfectly fine, it is easy to understand, and stores such as Gamestop (at least in my local stores) they do keep the rating system and id check in place, you must be 17 to get that M rated game.

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Thank God for the United States Constitution!!

 

Just moments ago, the Supreme Court in a 7 to 2 decision, has decided that, like music, books and movies, video games are First Amendment protected speech in the case Brown v. EMA. So many people took action signing the gamer petition and directly filing briefs with the Court.

 

The decision has been a long time coming, and we're so pleased by today's news. We're sure this isn't the end of the fight. One decision doesn't mean that we won't see elected officials attempted to test these new parameters. You better believe the ECA will continue to fight for the rights of the entertainment consumers and we hope you'll stand with us and add your voice.

 

But today, we can hold our heads up a little higher knowing that we won this fight. We'll be following up later in greater detail once we've read the complete decision.

 

 

Happy gaming,

 

The Entertainment Consumers Association (ECA)

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