[RoA] Bamboochimp

lol @ Pathogen so true... so true...

 

I STILL hope UF and admins/staff, whoever will look more into this situation and punish AIEL more than what they got. They broke a serious rule, tried to use a pretty weak defense to justify it, but the only thing that is really taken from them are the people that shouldn't be on the roster to begin with ... so what kind of "punishment" is that? It's not one, it's fixing what shouldn't have happened, NOT punishing a clan for their actions. If any of you have kids it's easier to understand. It's like letting your kid steal candy from a store, but his only "punishment" is making him return the candy. You're going to have a problem child if that's how you punish wrong doings.

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@rage,

what does our personal differences have to do with this topic. If you want to vent or w/e, u should have taken the opportunity to reconcile our differences when i tried to reopen those doors of communication. this isnt the time, place, or vector to discuss past events between you and I. The door is still open if u want to talk about things.

@rage's comment

I agree 100% with your last PP , and to go a step further for your analogy it is like the guys who broke into my house tied me up, and almost executed me. They had a rap sheet that was over 40 pages long, filled with violent crimes. A slap on the wrist only reinforces the negative behaviors...

I agree that a serious rule has been broken

sorta getting off topic, which is what the Shane to Valour comment was intended for.... Goinging back to the final decision on the Aiel/N3 ringer/merger debate. Is there a way to explain to me the thought process behind taking evidence of it NOT being a merger (the provided email screenshots that were timestamped) and dismissing it for a simple conversation over the internet?

There is alot of built up anger on this site.

want a hug?

refer to post #33 and read the quoted part of TheCaracarn

I re-read it and then re-read it again. The only definitive proof that i see is the second email from N3 where it clearly states that "this is not a merger". Everything after that is just verbal claims. If Aiel provided screenshots of other proof of talks about mergers, such as threads or AIM histories etc.. where the leader of Aiel was in talks with his officers, I may reconsider my stance on the situation and how UF handled it. I am sure others may do the same, but the fact is (atleast in this thread) the actually merger is questionable and therefor the final decision is also questionable. Again, the only proof that has been presented only reconfirms what VR, -Fc, and U are standing up for.

I was unaware of this, you are right, your situation is different you were not playing with a clan that was merging with VR... you however are playing as a true Rent a Player... you have played on 15 seperate teams on GB? What constitutes a Team... On GB I believe it is one or more players that are going to compete in a Ladder.

 

So based on this admission, you too should have been removed from the Tournament, and had this been pushed to the staff section for our review it would have ended the same way. Funny how this comes out.

 

Based on your clans request, you are requesting that VR also be removed from the Site for 1 year.

With all do respect each clan runs their applicants/recruits differently. For instance at RoA you are either an applicant or Clan member, but with clan $$$ they had applicants, recruits, & cadets. Cadets are allowed to war (according to clan $$$), but they arent considered full clan members.

Also, GB is a multi game, multi ladder hosting service. You can be part of a team for multiple games and multiple ladders. You do NOT need to be part of a single clan that registers with GB like you do here at UF. You simply need an account and sign yourself up for TEAMS (NOT CLANS) i really dont think playing for 2 teams or 15 gb teams really makes a difference with respect to the Aiel/ringer discussion. If you still feel that Valour is wrong about playing on different GB teams, then you have to ask about all the UF involved clan members that participaite in, let's say a Madden or NHL league that isnt associated with their clan. Or what about some of the UF clans that have members who play with other clans under different names? (which is happening)

im aware i was mentioned, but im not in a full fledged clan, with 60 people on a roster. during my time at -VR- i've been on like 15 different teams on gb. and i'm pretty sure that tool asked me about it and he told whoever at UF. its besides the point, my situation and that situation is completely different.

From my interviewing and itterrogation techniques training, people under pressure tend to place the focus on other topics in order to try and detach themselves from the pressure they are receiving. Its like little jimmi rating our billy after he was caught shooting spitballs at the ceilings. Transferance is also another self defense mechanism, which is what Shane attempted to do to me by making the "guilty by association" reference. This is a strong indicator of a sign of deception, wrong doing, or deviatation from the social norm , in order to protect one's self from consquences. I dont take Shane's comment personally, even though i find it childish and unfounded, but i do understand that he is being fed information from someone who has a personal vandette against me for the decisions i have made.

The concepts in my examples are applicable to this situation. Regardless of where everyone stands, we all need to be open and empathetic with the dialog. ( some of the posts are coming across hostile and counter productive)

@Johnson

I understand how the UF staff members came up with the decision... but i do not understand how quotes from their website referencing the members involved joining Aiel to help with UF tourny is being overlooked or justified by "merger" talks. I think, and i am sure that the 3 clans that left UF:In country, are coming from is that if there was a merger and lack of communication, then the Aiel intro threads written by the people involved would mention it somewhere.

Also, if you dont mind me asking, where is the proof that the merger was taking place? UF staff is adament about providing proof, yet i have yet to see proof of a merger in progress and only see proof of rent a player/ringers.

Not trying to be a smart !@# but truly curious to know the facts of both sides before i solidify my opinion on UF and its staff as a whole

I really don't understand how I'm fueling the fire, Shane. So far this has been one of the most constructive "drama" threads in UF history....all parties have made well thought out posts and there has been no REAL mudslinging until you make your accusations against me (keeping on with your agenda of disliking me). Everyone here is just stating how they believe in a civilized fashion, and it is truly commendable that they have done so. So you are saying because I know bamboochimp in real life, I control his actions? If that were so why, then, upon his dropping the SHO tag did he not apply for VR? Bamboo is a big boy, he formulates his own mind and opinions. He formed his own clan and website, scrimmaged against us to gauge his small clan's readiness level to participate in the UFGL and then apply for a tournament here in the future. He is on quite a few UF clan websites with introductions, offers for scrimmages, and was committed to bring ROA into the fold. You would have at least agreed with that path, no?

(sarcasm) nah pathogen your wrong, i am incapable of making decisions for myself and you are the puppet master that controls my strings. In fact your the one to blame for the 3 clans 90+ people that are affected by the course of action that UF staff has taken. I am willing to bet that you even had some factor in the final decision.

Also, there is also no reason y shane would need to agree with the path i am leading RoA. After ALL self-fulfilling prophecies are true.... In all seriousness maybe thats y a snide comment to a person who shane has no knowledge or history with, and Aiel is allowed to use ringers in a UF w/o the consquences. BUt then again the UF staff (sorry to the other staff who arent involved) makes sure they are unbiased..... i guess better grab my boots.

As for the bottom line statements, which Path and his roommate or ex roommate, something like that, that seem to be everyone's fuel for our decision:

lol wow classy stuff there, obviously you have been talking my former clan's leader. Automatically trying to make a connection of some conspiracy theory, because I know pathogen in real life. Did your source happen to tell you why i left the former clan? It was because of principles. where what was written vs what was being set into motion were completely seperate ( IMO). Much like what the 3 clans who backed have an issue with, the principles. If you want more info than contact me directly. YES i was considering UF from day one. I even reached out to several of the clans associated with the UF tourney trying to build friendships, and to give my guys the UF experience in preperation for future enrolment in UF. So to imply that there is an motive of fueling a fire because of knowing some in real life is absurd

as for bottom line, 90+ people being turned off will directly affect your traffic, CPA programs, UF store etc.. UF may not be dependent on donations and such for their bottom line, but anyone with a hint of website knowledge clearly understands how profitable traffic is.

haha just to put some perspective into things for those who dont know the topic my clan is only 2 months with about 40 active registered users and about 15 clan members. The site is generating an avg of about $6 dollars/mnth and i only had one CPA ad displaying not 10.... nor do i have the sponsors and affiliate programs like a UF or GB sites. Also, if a site isnt profitable then why would someone "buy/sell" a site? If it is a concept, the idea/concept can always be carried over to w/e web domain/host.

Illmatic: "[.....] It was then that I got BFBC2 and joined NNN which did Gamebattles and what not where we made it to #4. I've been with them and still am and in their Black Ops Roster as a Co-Leader. I have come to help out in the UF Roster by a recommendation from my clan leader. [.....]"

@ bamboochimp

UF is like a family and every family fights once in a while. I wouldn't let this deter you, but good luck in finding a tourny site that fits for you.

Its not the fight that is deterring, its more of the principle/the image of UF being tarnished and justified in a manner that contradicts what UF is suppose to be about. If a clan member in a UF sponsoed tourney "unintentional found a soft spot in a map, would it be handled the same way because the "intention" wasnt there? Ringers or rent-a-players, intentional or not rules are rules and by saying one thing and doing something different is disheartening.

Also from a long term perspective, when u have clans that have been supporting UF for a long time just up and leaving during a tourney that they spent hours and hours preparing and practicing for.. well that just says a lot about how they now perceive UF. I am sure GB started out with the same intentions as UF and u see the image that they have now. just a thought

sorry you guys had to back out as well, but good job on being a good moral and ethical clan who stands behind principles

i dont know if i should even support UF by commenting.... very disappointing

wow sorry to comment on this, but i have to say that i am "turned off on the idea" of getting involved with UF related events/tournies. I have been around awhile, and know many of the guys/clans that have supported UF and what they stood for. Because of the things they have said, i was planning on getting my newly formed clan with UF ( if accepted), but now i think i will go elsewhere. Sorry to see all the drama and deviations from the said UF values... thought this place was different, but i guess i was wrong :-(

Good luck to all the people involved