Yet another HD question

[IRISH BULL]

OK, so I know I've asked this question tons of times, but I wanna make sure I did everything I can do.

 

To back track, I have a HD 1080i TV. When certain games are released in 720p only, they don't come in HD, i.e Little Big Planet and other PSN titles.

 

I tried changing the the PS3 to recognize both 1080i and 720p, but then nothing will come in and I get a blue screen. So it has to be checked on 1080i only. But when I DL'd video from the PSN store that are in 720p only, they come in fine. Nice crisp clear HD video.

 

So why does video that is only in 720p come in HD, but games do not?? I'm hoping that there is something else I didn't do to my PS3, and that's my problem. Because to me, it doesn't make sense.

[xViCaRiouSx]

Yes HD is an acronym for Huge Dick. also sometimes it can be used as a acronym for Huge Dump, if your trying to be polite around the ladies ..." omg i gotta take an HD somewhere soon" or you can go the otherroute " Shut up b4 i smack you with my HD!!!"

[SnowBud]

Are you using HDMI or Component?

[IRISH BULL]

SnowBud ]

Are you using HDMI or Component?

 

Component. Would that make a difference for vid's in 720p to come in fine but not games??

[SnowBud]

I'm not for sure man, But I would pick up a cheap HDMI cable, the cheapest you can find. I would try it. If it doesn't work keep the receipt and take it back. I have zero problems using HDMI.

 

How old is your HDTV?

[IRISH BULL]

SnowBud ]

I'm not for sure man' date=' But I would pick up a cheap HDMI cable, the cheapest you can find. I would try it. If it doesn't work keep the receipt and take it back. I have zero problems using HDMI.

 

How old is your HDTV?

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See there in lies my problem, I have an older HDTV, no HDMI hook up. But its just confusing that video's in 720p are in HD but games like LBP are not.

[Guest [+30]PuddyTat]

IRISH BULL ]

SnowBud ]

I'm not for sure man' date=' But I would pick up a cheap HDMI cable, the cheapest you can find. I would try it. If it doesn't work keep the receipt and take it back. I have zero problems using HDMI.

 

How old is your HDTV?

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See there in lies my problem, I have an older HDTV, no HDMI hook up. But its just confusing that video's in 720p are in HD but games like LBP are not.

 

um, if your not runnin through an hdmi cable, how are you gettin anything in huge dump...i mean high def?

 

hdmi is the only digital cable, as far as i know. everything else is analog

[Chili327]

Component is HD.

[CDBS14]

check the manual for the real output of the resolution of the game, it says 720 in the back but that is the tv resolution the game usually runs a little lower than that at around 680p or so. Maybe its that.

[Red0ctobeR]

besides that if you have an LCD TV then you should run at 720p anyway, just because of the way the pixels arrange. If you have plasma then it should be fine.

 

And YES HDMI will make a huge difference to Component.

[Chili327]

I wouldn't say huge difference.. as a matter of fact almost unnoticable. its a 1080i TV.

[Red0ctobeR]

depends on what kind of component cables he has. It will make a big difference if he has standard cables. HDMI is more streamlined, has less resistance. Even for 720p.

[SnowBud]

It's my understanding with the PS3 component maxes out at 1080i. Since his tv is 1080i there isn't a problem there. He says he can't use HDMI cause his tv doesn't support it. The only way to get 1080p on the PS3 is HDMI.

 

Bull you said you tried selecting both 1080i and 720p and you get a blue screen. You said the only way you can get it to work is by only checking 1080i. Have you tried only checking 720p? This may force it to use 720p.

[IRISH BULL]

SnowBud ]

It's my understanding with the PS3 component maxes out at 1080i. Since his tv is 1080i there isn't a problem there. He says he can't use HDMI cause his tv doesn't support it. The only way to get 1080p on the PS3 is HDMI.

 

Bull you said you tried selecting both 1080i and 720p and you get a blue screen. You said the only way you can get it to work is by only checking 1080i. Have you tried only checking 720p? This may force it to use 720p.

 

Yea' date=' I'm almost positive I did. I'll mess with it again.

 

But does anybody know why I can get video, game or regular, in HD [i']but [/i] not play games that are only in 720p. In other words, a video for LBP gameplay comes in HD but when I load the game up, its in SD.

 

Its frustrating as hell. Because a lot of games coming out are only supporting 720p only. Like LBP and Battlefield: 1943. From what I'm hearing is that its a lot cheaper to develope games in 720p only. But that could be wrong though, because I know that MAG will be supporting 720p and 1080i, and that game is coming out at the end of the year. So who the hell knows. lol

[SnowBud]

I believe all most all PS3 games are mastered in 720p, meaning this is there native resolution. Depending on the game your tv and setup with the PS3 they can upscaled to 1080i or p. There are some games that are natively 1080p on the PS3 but theres not many.

 

I believe your issue lies with the TV and its age, along with the component setup. This is just a guess.

 

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3updates&thread.id=39244

 

There is an interesting thread, allot of people have your issue. I would check to see if your TV supports 720p only. My guess is it doesn't thus why you get a blue screen when you select both 720p and 1080i. So my suggestion about selecting only 720p probably won't help. The video plays fine for you because its probably being upscaled to 1080i, cause the videos support that. From what I am reading LBP doesn't support being upscaled to 1080i or p. Thus the only thing it can do is be downscaled to 480p because your TV doesn't support 720p only. Hope this makes sense and I'm no expert but maybe the mighty Rooster or Goat can help you lol. I forget which one is the resident AV Wiz.

[GOAT]

The problem is the TV and how the Ps3 treats the up scaling and down scaling of 720p titles for TV’s that are only 1080i capable.

If your set is older and only features 480i, 480p and 1080i the console will downsize the res. to 480p rather than 720p or the TV’s 1080i. for games. For newer video releases by their native res they are downsized from 1080p to 1080i however for games that the native is 720p as well as for older videos on DVD their native of 720p will not be up scaled by the Ps3 and instead are down scaled to 480.

 

For me I prefer a 720p signal over that of 1080i. (For the Layman such as Rooster!!) The difference being that a 720p picture offers quicker refresh rates while 1080i offers more detail with stationary imagery. 720p is at 24 to 60 frames per second (progressive), while the 1080i signal is presented as two 540-pixel fields that when displayed back to back look like a complete image (interlaced)

 

Just because your TV unit is 1080i doesn’t mean it is 720p as well. Many of the older models did not have progressive scan over a 480p res. 1080 interlaced came first, then 720 progressive than 1080 progressive.

 

HDMI or component video cables don’t make a bit of difference. There is no diff in Video res between them, the only diff is the HDMI carries the audio signal as well.

 

Two things to note..

1) Sony is aware of the problem…. Here is what they have to say on it “It is not known yet if this is purely a software issue or a deeper technical problem and whether or not this lack of up scaling might be resolved on launch PS3 systems in future updates of the hardware via down loadable firmware patches.†(how many times have we heard this one?)

 

2) xBox 360 will upscale 720p games to 1080i for older sets such as yours..

 

So basically this all because your TV doesn’t really support 720 progressive even if it does support 1080 interlaced the Ps3 won’t upscale 720p to 1080i for you like the xBox will so it down scales to 480p instead.

Answer: Get a new TV or buy an Xbox or sue Sony.. I’m about ready to since my console has began to overheat and get head spikes on the graphics.. the cheap ass piece of shit!!!

 

[IRISH BULL]

SnowBud and Goat, thanks so much. You guys finally answered my question. I feel better that its basically Sony that is kinda of scewing me over, in a sense.

 

Oh well, I guess I'm stuck. Unless Sony gets off their ass and release an update to fix this problem. But I guess I should be happy that there are developers out there that still support 1080i. The ones that go 720p only are just cheap bastards! lol

 

I'm in the same boat with the guy on the PS forum. My TV is not that old, it works great for HD with my cable box and looks great in my living room. Plus at this point, if I try and sell it, I'll never make enough that I won't have to dish out some serious cash for another TV. My TV is 55in, so I would want something that big or bigger. And from what I've seen, I would be looking at close to $2 g's. I ain't got it.

 

Thanks again guy's.

[Chili327]

Goat ]

HDMI or component video cables don’t make a bit of difference. There is no diff in Video res between them, the only diff is the HDMI carries the audio signal as well.

Pay attention ^HERE^ Red..

 

 

 

SnowBud ] I'm no expert but maybe the mighty Rooster or Goat can help you lol. I forget which one is the resident AV Wiz.

Did he say that Rooster might be a A/V guru..!!??

I know you weren't sure, but this definitely means you dont know Rooster very well. lmao

 

 

[SnowBud]

I knew it was one of them dammit can't a guy get a break

[GOAT]

No problem Irish..

 

Its easy if you realize that 1080i is actually two 540 signals interlaced... then you can see the progression from 480i to 480p to 540p X 2 (1080i) than 720p than 1080p. Its the reason older units that are 1080i are not as good as units that include 720p. 1080i is really 540p interlaced with another 540p in basic Rooster terms.

 

Since the last firmware upgrade there has been numerous reports of HDMI signals freezing, black screens and spike head images (spikes sort of come out of one place and extend across the screen) Sony is denying any accountability.. speculation has even suggested it was done on purpose in order to create massive repair orders or entice customers to purchase new units. Out of warranted older 60gb models seem to be effected the most.. Despite Sony's initial claim of Ps3's being made with total upgradability.. there is no way to upgrade or replace the graphics chip without paying sony $190 for them to repair it. They always answer with "be sure the unit is well ventilated" even though you could stick it in front of a 3000 btu air conditioner and it will still foul up. $699 for a console that last only as long as its one year warrentee.. get two years and you're ahead of the game and if you treat it well and get it to last for three or more years.. well let's see it work when we force you to upgrade to our latest firmware.

 

I can vouch for the spikeheads since I've been seeing them in my older 60gb model in many games since the last update.. I have no idea if any of that rest of it is true.. but I remember Sony is the company that thought placing virus type rootkits in every PC was a good way to stop people from pirating CD's. They got their ass sued for that one too.

[IRISH BULL]

Does anyone have any pic's of the spike heads? I've never seen them. Also, did the XBOX upscale 720p to 1080i outta the box? Or was it an upgrade? Just curious.

 

When was the first PS3 60gb models released? I have one of the originals. I guess I should be thankful everyday it works then.

 

And I gotta say , I love the UF community. I don't think there has been a question that I've asked and someone here doesn't know the answer to. On that note, anyone got tips to potty train a 2 1/2 yoa girl? lol

[IRISH BULL]

I skimmed over that thread on the PS forums, and it appears that this is a huge issue with a lot of PS3 owners. Hell, the damn thread is over 500 pages long with about 5300 post. But it appears I'm up shit's creek without a paddle, that is unless I buy another TV.

 

That friggin thread is over 2 years old now and Sony hasn't commented on this issue since November 2006, from what I'm reading. So I guess they are leaving it all in the dev's hands. Which is bad, because its cheaper and easier to make a game in 720p as opposed to 1080i or 1080p. Which is probably why more and more games are going this route.