Transformers 2: Revenge of the Suck

[Pathogen-]

Do not, I repeat, do not waste theater money on this movie!

 

I heard all the bad reviews, but as it is an action blockbuster I figured at least for the effects and battle scenes...worth going to the theater. Boy was I wrong.

The acting was horrible, there was no character development whatsoever, and whoever the writer is...he's just not funny!

 

The transformers almost take a backseat in this one....none of them are personal in any way. The longest scenes with transformers interacting other than fighting is with these two comic relief twin robots that truly are race archetypes. Come on...a robot with a gold tooth? These two characters are worse than jar jar binks and make a bad movie HORRIBLE.

 

Not only that, but the design of the robots and the fact that they don't care about each robot's character, really effect liking the battle scenes and the action. hell, half the time I can't tell which robot is fighting who, who is a decepticon, and what the hell they change into.

 

What a clusterfuck of a movie. That is just me venting on the surface level w/out going into more details.

[Hellraiser]

Transformes ROCKS!!!!

[Pathogen-]

did you SEE the movie? lol

 

the only parts that were enjoyable were the ones with Agent Simmons or Fitzsimmons or whatever. John Turturro rules.

[SgtJoeFriday]

Hellraiser ]

Transformes ROCKS!!!!

 

WTF is a "Transforme" :police:

 

Anyway, it definitely fell ill to the sequel illness. But I don't trash it as bad as you there Pathogen. I didn't like it either. The wife thought it pretty good but I saw a lot of what you said. It wasn't as good as the first but still enjoyable. Big destruction on the big screen is always enjoyable.

[HighTimesSW]

I liked it, the action seens were a bit hard to follow but it was still entertaining.

 

as for the two comic relief robots, they were annoying and could have done with out them, but they played a small role in the movie.

 

it was ok, Stuff went boom, and that was good. Not the greatest movie of all time, but not the ultimate disaster Patho is going on about imo.

[Pathogen-]

stuff goes boom, sure lol but when you can totally tell the army guys are firing off at god knows what on a blue screen, that is bad directing. Pay attention...rarely are they firing at something truly going on....they just fire straight or in random places (specially in the last battle scene) and it pans to the transformers....hardly any shots of them interracting as in you see them fighting each other.

It was like if you take a tennis match, hold a piece of cardboard to the middle of the court, and flash back and forth. You see one guy hit the ball, don't know where it goes, but then you see the other guy hitting a ball...same ball? Who knows, you didnt see the ball's path...there was no fluidity.

 

I do need to hit up sho's resident black power authority, rellikpoc (copkiller), about those two robots. I was offended, and I'm not even black. But, black people were laughing in the theater. So I dont know if I'm oversensitive or they were just retarded and didnt realize they were being mocked

[Pathogen-]

ok phew...its not just me! Rellik's response: "I"m pulling the card on this one"

 

and here is a well written op-ed / review on it

 

Transformers’ Little Black Sambots?

 

by Devim Faraci

 

I am not a PC person. Those who know me in real life will attest that if an off-color, offensive or wildly juvenile joke needs to be made it’ll likely be me making it. I think people are too sensitive in the modern world, and I don’t think any topic is off-limits when it comes to laughs.

 

That said, even I was stupefied by what I saw in Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen’s Twins. These new robots, who begin the film conjoined as a shitty old ice cream truck but who soon get upgraded into Chevy concept cars, seem to be the most extreme racial caricatures seen in a movie in decades.

 

The Twins have a simian appearance, with wide faces and huge ears. One of them (full disclosure: I am not sure which is which, namewise. This isn’t a problem limited to just these robots in Transformers 2 as I couldn’t tell most robots apart, except for Optimus Prime and Bumblebee) has a gold bucktooth. They have a ‘playful’ back and forth relationship, which includes them talking in some sort of modern day rap-age jive, calling each other ‘bitch-ass’ or ‘punk,’ talking with racism_transformers_movie_twins2an exaggerated, crunked-up ’street’ accent. They appear to be stoned all the time. And they can’t read; when asked to translate some ancient Cybertronian language they sheepishly admit they ‘don’t do much readin’.’

 

To be fair, only Primes can read this language, but even the completely idiotic mini-bot (and Italian stereotype) Wheelie can at least recognize what the writing is. The Twins are completely illiterate, it seems. I was actually surprised that the film didn’t find a way to make them wear a Transformers version of baggy pants.

 

To be completely shocked by this is admittedly kind of foolish. Quite a bit was made of Jazz, the black Autobot in the first film, who did a breakdance move and got killed. But The Twins make Jazz look like a paragon of taste, and they make Jar Jar Binks look like he belongs in a production of A Raisin in the Sun. Simply put they are offensive beyond measure, and if their names were Stepin and Fetchit I could maybe argue that they were a joke or a bit of meta-commentary or anything except horrible, horrible racial stereotypes.

 

At the press conference for the film I asked writer Alex Kurtzman about the characters.

 

‘I think a lot of what we did was following Michael’s lead,’ he said. ‘Those characters, more than any other, he had the strongest instinct for. Our job was to keep up with him.’

 

Buck passed! So then it was all Michael Bay’s idea to have these shucking and jiving bots, right?

 

Not so fast. Bay was eager to give all the credit for the Twins to Tom Kenny, the (white) voice actor.

 

‘When you work with voice actors, especially with the twins, they did a lot of improv for their parts. We liked their improv and, from there, we would animate to their stuff. When you’re doing character animation and you’re building the character, it’s not like an actor where you shoot the scene and you’ve got it and you move on. With animation, you get the dialogue and then some animation and then a bit more of the dialogue and you keep going back and forth and it just builds until you have the shot you want.’

 

(For the record, Bay mentions a second voice actor while IMDB lists Kenny as the voice of both bots)

 

Bay went on to say that his vision of the Twins is that he wanted bots with whom the younger audience could really identify, and the funny thing is that I actually believe him. I don’t think he set out to make two grotesque caricatures; I think he honestly believes these characters reflect some aspect of youth culture and not just a cartoony, broad vision of black youth. Bay’s films have never been all that racially sensitive (and blacks aren’t the only group to take a hit in this film; as mentioned above, Wheelie is a flat-out dago, even going so far as to refer to ancient Transformer Jetfire as ‘da Chairman of da Board,’ and there’s some choice Arabic humor in the film as well), but the Twins surely represent an all-time low.

 

Would they have been as offensive if Bay had gotten a black actor for the voices? There certainly would be less of a feeling of weirdness if Katt Williams had come in for some shucking and jiving, although it would still have been… off. Bay’s defense seems to be that Tom Kenny came in and just Sambo’d it up, as if he had no way of knowing what sort of racially insensitive schtick the actor would bring. That’s hugely unlikely; Bay isn’t prisoner to the whims of his actors, especially not a voice actor.

 

What the whole Twins debacle really reveals, though, is the sheer lack of adult supervision on this film. Transformers 2 is hugely bloated, incoherent, stupid and boring, seemingly all because Bay was free to indulge in his most Bayish impulses. The first film is rescued by the restraining hand of Spielberg; that hand is noticeably gone here. It’s stunning to think that anyone in the 21st century looked at the character designs of the Twins or listened to the voice tracks and thought that this was ‘okay.’

[[-VR-] Tool_Minion]

Here ya go Path!

 

 

 

I thought that view was looking to start a fight the first time I read it, and still feel the same. I LAUGHED at them. I thought they were GREAT! I'm white, so I'm sure my opinion doesn't matter, but I wasn't offended in the slightest.

 

 

[Xx-CHURCHY-xX]

So I'm guessing you're one of those anal people who complained about the "racist robots"

 

Here's a whole thread for you about them: http://www.urgentfury.com/uf_forum/index.php?topic=16756.0

 

I don't understand why you had such a hard team with the fight scenes and telling the Transformers apart. I was able to tell each one apart without a problem the first time I saw it. Even during the huge fight scenes I was able to tell who was who and what was going on. And to sit there and say that the soldiers weren't even shooting at anything is nitpicking. Seriously. If you're sitting there during the movie saying "wow those guys aren't shooting at anything," then I feel bad for you. You're obviously not sitting there trying to enjoy the movie, whether it be the action or Megan Fox.

 

Sure there was no character development, but I'm not going to sit here and cry about it. The first film was more of a battle between 10 characters while this one was more of a war between two races. It's not as easy to make things as personal when you try to look at the overall scope of the plot.

[lX-OSCEOLA-Xl]

i thought it had been decided long ago the only reason to see the movie was to see ms. fox

[Neoblackhound]

Why does it seem if one person says there's no character development then everyone follows, no offence to you guys but we aren't getting paid to watch it watch the movie before you rip it.

 

Some of the reasons you guys put confuse me.

In that review he says that wheelie recognised it and the twins didn't, The twins said they didn't read much but they did say oh that's umm umm that ol cybertronian, as I remember, I have the movie on ps3 right now I have watched the shit out of it.

 

As far as not following the action how can you not they did a slow motion move/fatality every fight.

 

I love the twins in the movie they where funny and kicked that big fuckers ass.

My question is if you really think that Mudflap and Skid are focusing on a single race, how would you know if your not already thinking about it?

As far as not being able to tell them apart, that's your own eye problem because they where very easy to tell apart.

 

Damn ps3 wont let me continue.

[Pathogen-]

haha everyone needs a soapbox about something, right? I guess its just a matter of taste, some people like wit, others lowbrow

[[-VR-] Tool_Minion]

Pathogen- ]

haha everyone needs a soapbox about something' date=' right? I guess its just a matter of taste, some people like wit, others lowbrow

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You should know I'm a fan of both.

[Pathogen-]

I think probably most people are, which is why chris farley made it big making retarded movies

(oh boy, i'll catch hell for that one! lol)

 

[[-VR-] Tool_Minion]

Pathogen- ]

I think probably most people are' date=' which is why chris farley made it big making retarded movies

(oh boy, i'll catch hell for that one! lol)

 

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You sir, can go jump off a bridge with your testicles tied to the nearest street sign with emery cloth as a bungee cord!!!

 

AND RAY LEWIS IS TOO OLD TO PLAY ANYTHING BUT CRIBBAGE!!!!

[Pathogen-]

i guess we'll see this year if he's finally lost a step lol

[[-VR-] Tool_Minion]

Pathogen- ]

i guess we'll see this year if he's finally lost a step lol

 

I am actually a fan. I went to Derrick Thomas' estate sale back when he passed away, and came away with Ray Lewis' helmet from his very first Pro Bowl.

 

It's autographed to DT and all. You wouldn't BELIEVE the amount of players that were there that wanted to buy that from me! They should have camped their asses off like I did to make sure I got in first 20.

 

I coulda had Shannon Sharp's for 1000 more, but opted to buy a complete set of DT's work out jersey, pants, shoes, etc.

[Pathogen-]

well damn, you're more of a fan that I am.

 

i grew up in Europe, and hated american sports for the longest time. i.e. I played rugby...needing the endurance of soccer, and take hits...so thought all the 2 min breaks and pads were for pussies.

But what can I say...it grows on you, the social aspect of things!

[[-VR-] Tool_Minion]

Pathogen- ]

well damn' date=' you're more of a fan that I am.

 

i grew up in Europe, and hated american sports for the longest time. i.e. I played rugby...needing the endurance of soccer, and take hits...so thought all the 2 min breaks and pads were for pussies.

But what can I say...it grows on you, the social aspect of things!

 

This says SO much to me....LOL.

 

Consider your thread:

 

[Neoblackhound]

Lol pfft no wonder.....

[Pathogen-]

lol Yup, run! A man with culture and class! lol He doesn't say "yeehaw!"

[aZyOuThInKeYeIz]

What I don't understand, is what in the hell it matters? (About the twins)

 

The movie is geared for kids, have you watched some of the outlandish shit that gets put into kids movies?

Now, I am talking about younger kids for this example, but watch those 4 brothers singing and bumping and grinding.

 

It is every where, and you cannot raise a "Al Sharpton", anytime some body says or does something you don't like.

If they are racial stereotypes, have a laugh, shock, whatever and forget about it. No reason to call the NAACP because someone made a bad taste black joke.

 

Life is too short to give a shit about what others are doing, live your own life and worry about your mortgage, not the stupid twins in a movie that only really had three scenes. And about 5 lines.

[COWonCRACK]

Pathogen- ]

Do not' date=' I repeat, do not waste theater money on this movie!

 

I heard all the bad reviews, but as it is an action blockbuster I figured at least for the effects and battle scenes...worth going to the theater. Boy was I wrong.

The acting was horrible, there was no character development whatsoever, and whoever the writer is...he's just not funny!

 

The transformers almost take a backseat in this one....none of them are personal in any way. The longest scenes with transformers interacting other than fighting is with these two comic relief twin robots that truly are race archetypes. Come on...a robot with a gold tooth? These two characters are worse than jar jar binks and make a bad movie HORRIBLE.

 

Not only that, but the design of the robots and the fact that they don't care about each robot's character, really effect liking the battle scenes and the action. hell, half the time I can't tell which robot is fighting who, who is a decepticon, and what the hell they change into.

 

What a clusterfuck of a movie. That is just me venting on the surface level w/out going into more details.

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go die you terrible person.

[aZyOuThInKeYeIz]

AND RAY LEWIS IS TOO OLD TO PLAY ANYTHING BUT CRIBBAGE!!!!

 

 

AND RAY LEWIS IS TOO MUCH OF A MURDERER TO PLAY ANYTHING BUT SPADES!!!!

 

There, I edited for you.

[DK_Deadly_Intent]

yeah the racist card has been played out.

 

do you ever hear a Black comic not have a section in their act ripping whites and other races for being who they are?? NO. but we don't call people up crying about. we can laugh at ourselves and don't call for lawyers looking for money.