OBAMA OR MCCAIN WHO DO YOU CHOSE

[WARPIG]

HogWild ]

Mad?

 

Oh yea, Obama is a bastion of truth.....

 

Said he would accept government campaign financing if McCain did, and then didn't. Big deal, you ever change you mind?

 

Said he would debate McCain anytime anywhere, but refused to do so until forced by election laws. Wait, show me where he was forced to by election laws! Man god Hog, you are reaching with that statement!!!! Haha!!!

 

Has whined that McCain should defend Michelle Obama when she recieves unfavorable press, but when McCain's wife recieves unfavorable press, Obama is silent, all 3 times it's happened. He never whined about anything of the sort. His campaign has been a lot more above the fray then McCain's will ever hope to be! Took Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy off the table right away!

 

Has lied about his stance of infantcide. No, He didn't. Prove he did.

 

Has lied about his stance on guns. Prove it.

 

His college transcripts are locked up like Fort Knox. Big deal, I would too from some of the ilk in Johnny Mac's campaign! This shows nothing but desperation from your side.

 

His work at the CAC is locked up like Fort Knox. No, its not. Show me.

 

The fact is, when pressed, Obama lies to hide the truth. How anyone would think Obama cares about them when Obama has allowed his blood relatives in Kenya to live in poverty for years while he's writing books and becoming a millionaire is beyond me.

This has to be the funniest thing you said in this thread! Isn't that what lying is!!! LMFAO!!! You can't lie to hide the truth... c'mon now, LOL you're giving us pork rhine a bad name with a statement like that! HAHA!!!

 

And no CDBS14, I have never pulled anything off the McCain campaign website, haven't used anything from Hannity or O'Reilly. I have used reputable news sources.

 

This is too good to pass up! LOL You just admitted that Hannity and O'riely are not reputable news sources!!!! Yeahhhh!!!! There's hope for you yet Hog, there's hope for you yet!!! Also still doesn't matter... you cut and paste like everyone here. You can't tease someone for something YOU do. LOL

[CDBS14]

i got a question is the issue on guns or infacticde going to bring the country's economy from the pit of hell back out?

[mrsdd]

Thanks for bittin’ ;D though I do wish you could have been a tad more creative than copying talking points but hey I’ll work with what I got. I have educated myself enough to know what the details of hisâ€plans†are and can provide you with an educated dissenting or even perhaps agreeable opinion. I am though going to break it down as to not lose anyone along the way with an astronomically longer post than what is already there.

 

HippieChik ]

Enact a Windfall Profits Tax to Provide a $1,000 Emergency Energy Rebate to American Families:Barack Obama and Joe Biden will enact a windfall profits tax on excessive oil company profits to give American families an immediate $1,000 emergency energy rebate to help families pay rising bills. This relief would be a down payment on the Obama-Biden long-term plan to provide middle-class families with at least $1,000 per year in permanent tax relief.

 

Not that I am a fan of giant conglomerates that we all pretty much bow down to in order to function in this society but I am not a huge fan of the theory of taking from companies that the one says makes too much and give to the rest. This practice simply increases their costs and well how do most companies recoup lost revenue...that’s right folks they raise prices for the consumer. However, this is a mute point due to the fact that the cost per barrel of oil has dropped nearly 50% from July this year when it reached over $140/barrel. His plan would target profit from the biggest oil companies by taxing each barrel of oil costing more than $80, which unless you live under a rock, you should know that oil is now trading around the $77/barrel mark and steadily dropping (YAY!! About frickin time!). The messiah himself mentioned during the final debate that because of the prices dropping so drastically his windfall tax would not be feasible, which is a good thing because although an estimated $15 billion would be raised from the windfall tax his $1,000/year tax rebate would cost almost $150billion leaving him oh a mere $135 billion short and no explanation of where he would get that money from.

 

Provide $50 billion to Jumpstart the Economy and Prevent 1 Million Americans from Losing Their Jobs: This relief would include a $25 billion State Growth Fund to prevent state and local cuts in health, education, housing, and heating assistance or counterproductive increases in property taxes, tolls or fees. The Obama-Biden relief plan will also include $25 billion in a Jobs and Growth Fund to prevent cutbacks in road and bridge maintenance and fund school re­pair - all to save more than 1 million jobs in danger of being cut.

 

Just curious, isn’t there a $125 billion stimulus package being proposed by congress RIGHT NOW that is slated to do the EXACT same thing? I hope you all realize that we have a Dept of Education and Dept of Transportation and every year these depts. are allocated money from the congress from what some like to call the "Federal Budget". States, all 50 of them (not the 57 some like to think we have), have their own state budgets except for they usually have to adhere to theirs, they cant just print more money or ask China for a payday loan. States and local governments don’t start on that $3 billion new municipal building project, or perhaps they trade in the 6 Chevy suburbans with supercharged camero engines they bought last year for more cost effective, fuel efficient, and practical police cruisers to make up for some of the budget shortfalls, I use this as an example because this is the exact scenario my local government is in. You don’t pay off a credit card with a credit card and you don’t spend more money than you have. I have to do that in my daily life why cannot I expect the same from my government? But personal opinion aside, this stimulus is already in the works.

 

So what we have thus far is a non viable windfall tax whose bubble has burst before it even had a chance to inflate and a stimulus package that is already on the table. You will find if you stop and actually investigate and read the fine print instead of just eating the cookies and drinking the cool-aid that most of his proposals have no sustainable foundation in reality or have more severe unintended consequences than actual forward movement.

 

[HippieChik]

I'm not here to debate anything. Just here to share the FACTS. In order to share those FACTS I would have to copy and paste them from somewhere. Obviously that is not information that a single person here can quote straight off the top of their head. So to ridicule me for that is just plain ignorant. That is, unless Mrs. D herself can post McCain's voting record without looking ANYWHERE for that information, in which case, I will concede to my "lack of creativity."

 

Now, there are a multitude of other websites that have the EXACT same voting records that I can share with you and no matter where I get it from or how I put it up on this website, whether I spend the time to type it out or copy and paste, the information WON'T CHANGE. Perhaps you prefer I post ONLY the voting record, without the "talking points" as you put it. Again, WON'T CHANGE. What he voted is what he voted! Don't be pissed at me McCain voted that way. Be pissed at him. Facts are facts, my friend. And, Ms. D, no amount of "Goat posts" voicing your OPINION can change that.

 

And just one other thing ... it's really curious to me how "educated", "intelligent", "knowledgable" people have to resort to what I consider personal attacks when someone simply posts FACTS. You want to get all over my ass for posting his voting record. WHO GIVES A F*CK IF I COPIED AND PASTED??? Is that really the point here? In the grand scheme of it all, does it matter how I put this info. up or where it came from? Shouldn't it matter more whether or not you agree with his stance on these issues? If you people spent your energy focused on what matters instead of the fact that HippieChik copied and pasted John McCain's voting record, then you might learn something and I might even consider listening to your views. But it's obvious that some around here are more concerned about stupid sh*t instead of what really matters. I read this thread with an open mind and take in everyone's thoughts and views and even though I don't agree with what people are posting, I don't log in and take the time to be an a**hole to someone because they posted a different view than mine. And to be honest, it's pissing me off that others around here don't have the same respect or open-mindedness.

 

 

[RNG187]

hippiechik, you ROCK girl.

[WARPIG]

Agreed.

[SOTG Savage]

The kind of people who vote for Obama

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAg

[RNG187]

D_dubYa ]

The kind of people who vote for Obama

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAg

 

dude, hog posting videos/links to legitimate facts about obama/mccain is one thing, b/c they're serious and legitimate. howard stern? c'mon man, thats just wrong and how you worded it IMO is going WAY too far.

[WARPIG]

D_dubYa ]

The kind of people who vote for Obama

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAg

 

And YOU are the kind of people that are voting for McCain. Nuff said. Haha!

 

Like I said before... what you're posting says more about YOU then about Obama supporters.

[SOTG Savage]

Your right, I am the kind of people who are voting for mccain. The kind of people who care about the people who have lost their lives fighting for this country. Lets vote a guy whos gonna pull out our troops with our job not done and make their deaths worth nothing. All for nothing, you know what? FUCK that.....my brothers in arms dont deserve that. I dont expect you to understand, not many do, but Id give my life for my brothers and they did the same for me. Now, lets just shit all over what they did for our(and the Iraqi) country. But, of course, Im betting that some of you guys still think its all about oil......The same people who believe everything the media says, Imagine that.

[mrsdd]

FYI I am a free thinking individual who cares greatly about my country and take politics VERY seriously. Although some of my information about certain concepts and different perspectives come from pundits, opinion journalists, and subject matter experts the data i collect and personally dissect comes from the source IE. irs.gov, the small business administration, or senate.gov.

 

I spent 3 days going over EVERY vote (binding or non binding), amendment proposal, and floor speech given by Sen Obama since being elected and have several pages of handwritten notes from it. I have spent 2 days going over the most recent COMPLETE data from the IRS which was 2006 as well as countless pages of info from the Small Business Administration, and that was just to find the truths behind each tax policy.

 

I can form my own opinion without talking points from talking heads.

 

I am insulted at the notion that because myself and others don't agree with Obama and believe he is a BAD choice for our country that we are somehow angry and ignorant.

 

Well I am mad now, stating a FACT that someone had copied and pasted is not what I would consider mudslinging. Someone asked a question to which I answered since no else had. And for everyone here candidate websites are not always based in fact, this goes for John McCain and Obama and pretty much every other politician. The purpose of a candidates website is to inform voters of what they want you to hear so that you will vote for them. These sites are riddled with half-truths, partial truths, out of context quotes, pretty much anything that makes them look better than their opponent and adheres to the philosophy of their respective parties. To suggest that these sites and what these candidates say on them are "real proof" or the "really story" is in itself ignorant. Just because he says it does not make it so!

 

 

[HogWild_101st]

HippieChick, no cares that you copied and pasted something. Some people just care that you didn't reference the source. If you had started you posts with "from the Obama website" then what is there to say? You posted something from the Obama website, so what? But that's not what happened, you posted things as fact, but they came from the website of the candidate you are trying to influence people to vote for. If you don't understand how that can be viewed as being misleading, then I don't have the time or the inclination to explain it. Live long and prosper.....

 

WarPig, you must not be reading my posts in full. That is not the first time I have said Hannity and O'Reilly aren't reputable news sources in this forum, that's why I never reference them here. Just like one of your "news" sources Keith Olbermann is not a reputable news source, but a complete and total in the tank mouthpiece for Obama. I've already mentioned he's been fired from covering election night because his conventions coverage was too biased, not my words, the words of his boss. Same applies to "thrill up my leg when I hear Obama speak" Chris Matthews. He got canned from election night too for the same reason.

 

Now, onto your counter points to points I made. But beore I do that, let me just point out before this thread disappears, that it always happens the same. WarPig makes his points, I counter with reputable news sources so both sides of the story are known. I make a point, WarPig quotes it, add's his own comments, and usually asks me to prove it, and once I do using reputable news sources, it's dismissed anyways. Now I will demonstrate why it's a bad strategy to disagree just to disagree:

 

Campaign financing: No WarPig, when I sign a pledge, my word is my bond, and I stick to my word. Obama signed a pledge, then ignored it.

 

Presidential Debates: http://www.debates.org/ The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) was established in 1987 to ensure that debates, as a permanent part of every general election, provide the best possible information to viewers and listeners.

 

McCain should defend Michelle Obama according to whining by Barrack Obama:

 

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/394137.aspx

 

In a one-on-one interview with The Brody File, Barack Obama says he is deeply disappointed that John McCain has not spoken out against the attacks leveled against his wife.

 

Is that enough WarPig, or should I go look up the other expample as well? ;D Come on, dare me, I know you want too.

 

Infantcide: I have already posted reputable news sources reporting on it in this thread. You go look it up since you didn't read it the first time.

 

Guns: I have already posted reputable news sources reporting on it in this thread. You go look it up since you didn't read it the first time.

 

CAC: I have already posted reputable news sources reporting on it in this thread. You go look it up since you didn't read it the first time.

 

Obama's half brother, I had posted this before, but since I'm being called a liar on this particular point, I'll post it again:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html

 

The Italian edition of Vanity Fair said that it had found George Hussein Onyango Obama living in a hut in a ramshackle town of Huruma on the outskirts of Nairobi.

 

"No-one knows who I am," he told the magazine, before claiming: "I live here on less than a dollar a month."

 

He has only met his famous older brother twice - once when he was just five and the last time in 2006 when Senator Obama was on a tour of East Africa and visited Nairobi.

 

The Illinois senator mentions his brother in his autobiography, describing him in just one passing paragraph as a "beautiful boy with a rounded head".

 

Of their second meeting, George Obama said: "It was very brief, we spoke for just a few minutes. It was like meeting a complete stranger."

 

Anything else? Your helping my point of view, I appreciate it. You don't have to apologize for saying I was "lying" about Obama's blood relatives, I know you are just following the orders of your Messiah to "get in their faces and shut them up". I'll clue you in, it's not going to work on me. But feel free to keep trying.

 

Unlike Obama's preacher of 20 years and was part of the Obama campaign until some of his sermons were made public and then it was straight under the bus for Rev. Wright who proclaimed "God bless America? No, no no. God damned America". I say God bless America, I love being free.

[SOTG Savage]

HogWild ]

HippieChick, no cares that you copied and pasted something. Some people just care that you didn't reference the source. If you had started you posts with "from the Obama website" then what is there to say? You posted something from the Obama website, so what? But that's not what happened, you posted things as fact, but they came from the website of the candidate you are trying to influence people to vote for. If you don't understand how that can be viewed as being misleading, then I don't have the time or the inclination to explain it. Live long and prosper.....

 

WarPig, you must not be reading my posts in full. That is not the first time I have said Hannity and O'Reilly aren't reputable news sources in this forum, that's why I never reference them here. Just like one of your "news" sources Keith Olbermann is not a reputable news source, but a complete and total in the tank mouthpiece for Obama. I've already mentioned he's been fired from covering election night because his conventions coverage was too biased, not my words, the words of his boss. Same applies to "thrill up my leg when I hear Obama speak" Chris Matthews. He got canned from election night too for the same reason.

 

Now, onto your counter points to points I made. But beore I do that, let me just point out before this thread disappears, that it always happens the same. WarPig makes his points, I counter with reputable news sources so both sides of the story are known. I make a point, WarPig quotes it, add's his own comments, and usually asks me to prove it, and once I do using reputable news sources, it's dismissed anyways. Now I will demonstrate why it's a bad strategy to disagree just to disagree:

 

Campaign financing: No WarPig, when I sign a pledge, my word is my bond, and I stick to my word. Obama signed a pledge, then ignored it.

 

Presidential Debates: http://www.debates.org/ The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) was established in 1987 to ensure that debates, as a permanent part of every general election, provide the best possible information to viewers and listeners.

 

McCain should defend Michelle Obama according to whining by Barrack Obama:

 

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/394137.aspx

 

In a one-on-one interview with The Brody File, Barack Obama says he is deeply disappointed that John McCain has not spoken out against the attacks leveled against his wife.

 

Is that enough WarPig, or should I go look up the other expample as well? ;D Come on, dare me, I know you want too.

 

Infantcide: I have already posted reputable news sources reporting on it in this thread. You go look it up since you didn't read it the first time.

 

Guns: I have already posted reputable news sources reporting on it in this thread. You go look it up since you didn't read it the first time.

 

CAC: I have already posted reputable news sources reporting on it in this thread. You go look it up since you didn't read it the first time.

 

Obama's half brother, I had posted this before, but since I'm being called a liar on this particular point, I'll post it again:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html

 

The Italian edition of Vanity Fair said that it had found George Hussein Onyango Obama living in a hut in a ramshackle town of Huruma on the outskirts of Nairobi.

 

"No-one knows who I am," he told the magazine, before claiming: "I live here on less than a dollar a month."

 

He has only met his famous older brother twice - once when he was just five and the last time in 2006 when Senator Obama was on a tour of East Africa and visited Nairobi.

 

The Illinois senator mentions his brother in his autobiography, describing him in just one passing paragraph as a "beautiful boy with a rounded head".

 

Of their second meeting, George Obama said: "It was very brief, we spoke for just a few minutes. It was like meeting a complete stranger."

 

Anything else? Your helping my point of view, I appreciate it. You don't have to apologize for saying I was "lying" about Obama's blood relatives, I know you are just following the orders of your Messiah to "get in their faces and shut them up". I'll clue you in, it's not going to work on me. But feel free to keep trying.

 

Unlike Obama's preacher of 20 years and was part of the Obama campaign until some of his sermons were made public and then it was straight under the bus for Rev. Wright who proclaimed "God bless America? No, no no. God damned America". I say God bless America, I love being free.

 

Preach it Rev. HogWild LOL

[WARPIG]

D_dubYa ]

Your right, I am the kind of people who are voting for mccain. The kind of people who care about the people who have lost their lives fighting for this country. Lets vote a guy whos gonna pull out our troops with our job not done and make their deaths worth nothing. All for nothing, you know what? FUCK that.....my brothers in arms dont deserve that. I dont expect you to understand, not many do, but Id give my life for my brothers and they did the same for me. Now, lets just shit all over what they did for our(and the Iraqi) country. But, of course, Im betting that some of you guys still think its all about oil......The same people who believe everything the media says, Imagine that.

 

Dubya... you don't know shit about me, so please refrain from trying to paint me as some unpatriotic, un american person or this thread is going to turn really nasty. YOU are the one coming on these boards spouting off racist shit and trying to say if you don't support McCain you aren't supporting our country or the troops. Grow up dude... its not that way. ONly in YOUR brain is it that way. You need to check yourself before posting in here anymore. I understand the war just as much as you. If not more. Nobody is shitting over anything but you over people in this country that don't agree with you. Once again grow up and try actually posting something with a little substance to it and not some racist rant that makes everyone unpatriotic if we dont' support Bush/McCain!

[WARPIG]

Hog, believe me I'm reading your post. And they are factually incorrect. But that doesn't seem to matter to you. You post a debate mandate from 87 like Obama was not going to ever debate John. That is more then misleading, but I'll let the readers make their choice on that. I will also stand by my responses as your responses are half truths and once again skewed to push your agenda. (imagine that )

 

This thread and the country is getting really nasty now. I think everyone needs to take a step back from their computer, take a deep breath and think about things. No one called anyone here ignorant for not voting for Obama. What we are saying is ignorant is when things are said like, "racist and unpatriotic"... there's no place for that here or anywhere in our country. That is being ignorant! Hippiechick was just saying that people need to educate themselves about the issues more. I agree with her rather you support McCain or Obama.

[HippieChik]

HogWild ]

HippieChick, no cares that you copied and pasted something. Some people just care that you didn't reference the source. If you had started you posts with "from the Obama website" then what is there to say? You posted something from the Obama website, so what? But that's not what happened, you posted things as fact, but they came from the website of the candidate you are trying to influence people to vote for. If you don't understand how that can be viewed as being misleading, then I don't have the time or the inclination to explain it. Live long and prosper.....

 

Let me first start by asking ... IF I had started my post with "from the Obama website" then 1. would your have read any further? Would you have had an open mind and continued to read? Probably not. 2. Does it change John McCain's voting record? Certainly not. 3. It never ocurred to me that taking that information from Obama's site would be the focus of discussion. Why? Because, once again McCain's voting record is STONE COLD FACT and I never dreamed that people would try so hard to take the focus off the truth rather than read his voting record and decide if they agree or not.

 

Second, I am not trying to influence anyone to anything. Do you hear me taking jabs at McCain or calling him names, mocking him, as people are doing on this thread? No, I simply posted a voting record. I don't understand how you people can't see it for what it is instead of calling it MISLEADING INFORMATION! and acting as though I am making this stuff up or getting it from a source who is making it up!?!?! It really is mind boggling how you all aren't willing to call it what it is and instead want to attack me for posting it and then insinuate that I just don't get it. What the hell is there to get, Hog? FACTS ARE FACTS. What about that don't you get?

 

Ok, so what site would I have to take this information from for you to believe these well documented FACTS on John McCain's voting record? Take your pick:

http://www.themiddleclass.org/legislator/john-mccain-468?gclid=COPg1pC8s5YCFSEeDQod0lwiLw

http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=53270

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/

http://www.ontheissues.org/john_mccain.htm#Budget_+_Economy

 

Must I go on? Or are you going to argue that these sites are not reputable either? My point is that no matter where you look or where this information comes from, once more, IT IS WHAT IT IS. McCain voted how he voted and you can't change that no matter how hard you work to discredit the sources. How about this ... YOU post his voting record. Anything change from what I posted? Nah, didn't think so.

 

So now, I am done. Like I said, I didn't come here to debate anything. Just share the FACTS about McCain's voting record as it is clear with some people (such as my aunt who I mentioned earlier in a post) they don't even know where McCain stands on issues for which they claim to support him. And all I care about is that people educate themselves on the FACTS and decide their vote that way. And now, some of you can get back to your petty personal attacks and continue to try and take the focus off what really matters. (Geez, warpig, how have you put up with this for 30+ pages?)Move along, nothing more here ...

[SOTG Savage]

Pig, maybe you shouldnt read into things so much, I WASNT CALLING YOU UNPATRIOTIC AND RACIST. I was calling the person you are voting for Unpatriotic and Racist. Try reading it again before you ACCUSE me of calling you shit.

[HogWild_101st]

Hog, believe me I'm reading your post. And they are factually incorrect.

 

The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, LA Times, San Francisco Chronical, Chigago Tribune, National Review, The Telegraph, New York Post, London Times, Fox, CNN, ABC, and CBS are all reporting things that aren't true?

 

Uh.... OK.... LOL

 

 

Peace Hippiechick, I didn't attack you. If you don't want to reference what you are saying, then don't. It's still a free country.

[WARPIG]

Dubya,

I understand you perfectly well dude. Calling anyone unpatriotic or racist who has dedicated his life to service for his country and is now running for president is the most dumbest statement ever. He is doing the most patriotic thing you can do for this country. He is running for president. I hope you caught Meet the Press this morning and saw republican Colon Powell endorsing Obama and his comments. They truly were the essences of what we are about and what Obama is about. We have to stop polarizing this country like you are with statements like, your unpatriotic or racist. Those are dangerous statements and accusation. You should think about toning down that type of rhetoric is my only point to you.

[WARPIG]

HogWild ]

Hog, believe me I'm reading your post. And they are factually incorrect.

 

The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, LA Times, San Francisco Chronical, Chigago Tribune, National Review, The Telegraph, New York Post, London Times, Fox, CNN, ABC, and CBS are all reporting things that aren't true?

 

Uh.... OK.... LOL

 

 

Peace Hippiechick, I didn't attack you. If you don't want to reference what you are saying, then don't. It's still a free country.

 

None of those sources have backed anything you are trying to say about Obama or he would be down in every poll. You know that and I know that.

[HogWild_101st]

Please don't presume to tell me what I know. You want to believe every word that comes out of Obama's mouth? Knock yourself out pal.

 

Just expect me not to do the same.

[CDBS14]

HogWild ]

Please don't presume to tell me what I know. You want to believe every word that comes out of Obama's mouth? Knock yourself out pal.

 

Just expect me to do the same.

 

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[WARPIG]

HogWild ]

Please don't presume to tell me what I know. You want to believe every word that comes out of Obama's mouth? Knock yourself out pal.

 

Just expect me not to do the same.

 

It's actually a compliment to you. I know you are smarter then that. LOLOL

[HogWild_101st]

I'm certainly smarter that Vice Presidential Nominee Joe Biden, the lower half of the Obama ticket:

 

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/biden-to-suppor.html

 

ABC News' Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., on Sunday guaranteed that if elected, Sen. Barack Obama., D-Ill., will be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions.

 

"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

 

And why would anyone test Obama? Inexperienced? Surrender prone? Little foriegn policy experience?

 

Sometimes I wonder if Biden even realizes he's suppossed to be supporting Obama?

[WARPIG]

Funny... again how two ppl can look at a statement and draw different conclusions. I think he is spot on with this. We live in very difficult times right now. I think he is supporting Obama. These statements aren't derogatory in the least?

 

At least he isn't making ridiculous statements that Obama is a socialist. Haha!!! Yeah, ok... Warren Buffet supports him... Colon Powell just endorsed him... JOhn McCain voted yes on the one thing that he could have made an argument about. LMAO! This won't stick... like him being a "pal of terrorist" ... LOL Keep trying guys, keep trying!