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Did someone say flip flop? Should I continue? The second link is a ad from a 527 Group. So no, I would rather not continue down that path. Unless you want me to go google 527 ad's that aren't flattering for Obama. I would prefer reputable news sources. People will take what you have to say more seriously even if they disagree if you stick to reputable sources. 527 ad's are for the ill informed. Which brings me to the next point. The third link is from Countdown with Kieth Olbermann. He is anything but a reputable news source. Olberman writes comments on the Daily Kos. He's an Obama mouthpiece, and that's being gracious. The first link is fine. It's video and comes from a reputable news source. I never said McCain was perfect.
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Dropped 18 points in the last week you say? Dated 24 September 2008: http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/09/palin_stands_up_to_porkers.php Please tell me whether you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of each of the following. If you have no opinion of the person, just say so. “Sarah Palin.†Favorable - 88.7% Unfavorable - 4.3% No opinion - 6% Never heard of - 1% Searches of Anchorage and Juneau newspapers, and USA Today, New York Times, and Washington Post show no poll at all conducted in the last week concerning Governor Palin's approval. Must be a secret poll..... LOL On the second point about the bracelet. I can't believe you referred to Chris Matthews. This is the same guy that said he get's a thrill up his leg when he listens to Obama speak. But let's stay on point, McCain was relaying something to the audiance and Obama tried to jump in on it to score political points. And then couldn't remember the name on the bracelet that he was wearing. Do I think that disqualifies him for President? No I don't. I think it does show that he really doesn't care enough about that soldier to remeber his name, just keeps it handy to use as a political football. And I think that's pretty sleazy. But it's not really a political point. So let's move onto a political point. Why is Barrack Obama lying to the American people during the debate? Obama said that McCain's own advisor, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger agreed that Presidential level meetings between the U.S. President and the Iranian President should occur. http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/tws_exclusive_kissinger_unhapp.asp Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: "Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level.
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Rev, then please break it down for the rest of us..... If Alaskan's know that Palin is stupid, why does she have an approval rating above 80% from Alaskan's? Maybe you can explain how Palin got elected Governor in the first place, I'm sure the "dumbass GOP" vote wasn't enough to put her over the top. Why don't you post the quotes of those in the GOP claiming McCain is not fit to lead? I've got all kind of quotes from the Democratic Party that state Obama is unfit to lead, starting with quotes from Obama's Vice President pick Joe Biden. I wouldn't worry about McCain kicking the bucket, being his mother is over 90 years old and still pretty active. Obama is a chain smoker who's mother died in her 50's from cancer. Having a family history of cancer can't be good, can it? And since you are spelling things out..... Maybe you can explain why Barrack Obama has to look at the bracelet he's wearing to remember the name of the servicemember that died in service to this country.
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First and foremost. All the sudden Obama doesn't what to surrender to terrorists? Count the times Obama agreed with "John". I counted 5, but I was playing the beta while watching. I call this debate a draw. Obama made some compelling arguements, has no record of backing them up, and "John" didnt call him on it. "John" has a record, and didn't do a very good job of defending it. "John" got his hits in, but failed to get specific. Obama did what he always does, rely on non-specifics and got away with it. Obama got away with this round without getting hurt. So he won. He didnt' win because he had the better arguement, he won because more of his record wasn't exposed for all to see. A lost opportunity for McCain.
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as much as I hate to admit it..... Pong on Atari
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What's say we get back on policy. Remember this: Welll it appears Biden has talked to Obama..... http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/biden_is_for_clean_coal_again.asp Campaigning in Pennsylvania coal country on Thursday, the Democratic vice presidential nominee said the government should steer more money to clean coal — a term used to describe a variety of emerging technologies that burn coal for electricity without producing as much pollution. "I am for clean coal," he told The Associated Press following a speech in Wilkes-Barre. It's an issue that resonates with some working-class voters in Pennsylvania, a group that Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama has had trouble connecting with. Pennsylvania Democrats gave Sen. Hillary Clinton a 10-point victory in the April primary. Pennsylvania is the nation's No. 4 coal-producing state; the industry employs more than 7,000 people at nearly 800 mines, and many voters come from coal-mining families. The administration of Gov. Ed Rendell has invested millions of dollars in clean coal technology in the state. I swear Obama and Biden flip flop so much it's like watching a Chinese Acrobatics Team in action.
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"War is an ugly thing, but it's not the ugliest thing. The decayed and degreading sense of moral and patriotic feeling is worse. A man that has nothing that he will fight for, nothing he cares about more than his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by better men than himself". Jon Stuart Mill "No man is justified in doing evil on the ground of expediency." Theodore Roosevelt "It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what can you do for your country." John F. Kennedy "Let them still have those hostages once I am President". Ronald Reagan (speaking about the Iranian hostages that were released 2 days before his innaguration) after winning the election for President of the United States. "This will not stand". George W. Bush on 9-11-2001. "We can't win" or "The war is lost". John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Ried, Barrack Obama, Howard Dean, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, Hillary Clinton. Different dates for each name. "You can't blink". Sarah Palin, 29 August 2008.
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I was wondering all day at work what response would be waiting for me when I got back home. Deutscher75 all I can say is WOW!!!!! But hey, this is a free country and you my friend are free to believe whatever you want.
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So you admit that William Ayers is a terrorists that attacked the United States, and in a interview when asked about how he felt about his terrorist acts said that he felt he had not done enough. Bombing several government buildings and killing at least one NYC Policeman was not enough to satisfy Ayers. But your point is what day the interview was conducted is somehow important? That if the interview was done on a day different than 11 September 2001, that somehow makes William Ayers past deeds and comments OK?
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Easy, no one said Obama was responsible for being associated with and launched his political career from the house of a guy that conducted terrorist acts at a later date. Repeat, No One Said That. Not here anyways. William Ayers committed terrorists attacks, was aqquitted on a legal technicality, and boasted in a interview on September 11, 2001 that he "didn't do enough" while a member of the U.S. terrorist group "Weatherman Underground" which bombed US government buildings and killed at least one NYC Police Officer during their terrorist activities. He did all but boast about his past crimes before ever meeting Obama. He boasted about his former terrorist activities 6 years after launching Obama's political career in his living room 6 years earlier. So while Obama could claim ignorance of what Ayers did as a young man, Obama can't claim ignorance of what a self admitted US terrorist said in a interview on 9-11 while living in Chicago. Or maybe Obama can claim that he is that ill informed. But that's Obama's choice isn't it? I don't live in Chicago, and I know what William Ayers said on 9-11, and I don't even know the man personally. Do your own research and make up your own mind. I would just point out that not post after mine on the Ayers subject used a reputable news source to counter what I have posted. Does that matter? You decide.
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OK WarPig, you tell me what you mean by "history revisionist" then. You have called me it twice, I let it go the first time and now decide to not let it go. If it's not a vieled attempt to portray what I have have said as misleading or untrue, then by all means spell it out of me. Back to associations of the campaigns, since they seem to be of upmost importance. Obama was chairman of a activist group in Chicago called the "Chicago Annenberg Challenge". http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html?mod=rss_opinion_main Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists. What makes this a big deal? The founder of the CAC, William Ayers. Who is he? The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home. Now Obama can't control who does or does not support him. If Charlie Manson endorsed Obama, I wouldn't hold that against him, first because Obama has never met Manson, and secondly Obama has never lied about any kind of relationship he would have with such a person. Such is not the case with Ayers. The CAC's basic functioning has long been known, because its annual reports, evaluations and some board minutes were public. But the Daley archive contains additional board minutes, the Collaborative minutes, and documentation on the groups that CAC funded and rejected. The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda. One unsettled question is how Mr. Obama, a former community organizer fresh out of law school, could vault to the top of a new foundation? In response to my questions, the Obama campaign issued a statement saying that Mr. Ayers had nothing to do with Obama's "recruitment" to the board. The statement says Deborah Leff and Patricia Albjerg Graham (presidents of other foundations) recruited him. Yet the archives show that, along with Ms. Leff and Ms. Graham, Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval. So obviously Ayers is more than just "a guy that lives in my nieghborhood" as Obama has described Ayers. How closely did they work togather? The Obama campaign has cried foul when Bill Ayers comes up, claiming "guilt by association." Yet the issue here isn't guilt by association; it's guilt by participation. As CAC chairman, Mr. Obama was lending moral and financial support to Mr. Ayers and his radical circle. That is a story even if Mr. Ayers had never planted a single bomb 40 years ago. I would suppose Obama could appoint William Ayers to some anti terrorist post in his cabinet, since Ayers has so much personal experience operating as a terrorist and subversive against the United States. Do your own research and draw your own conclusions. Don't believe me, verify for yourself.
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WarPig, you can call me a liar as many times as you like. And if you can fool anyone into voting for the candidate of your choice, then good for you. But I think anyone with half a mind can see how ashamed you are of the decisions the Democrats have made in the past concerning the economy, and can see your best arguement against those who know of those decisions is to portray them as liars. Want to talk about connections to the campaigns? OK, lets start with Harold Raines. Was part of the Clinton Administration, then moved to run Fannie Mae, he cooked the books and pocketed over $100 million dollars for himself, then he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and got fired and had to pay back $25 million to avoid prosecution. ANYONE WANT TO GUESS WHO HAROLD RAINES IS WORKING FOR NOW AS A ECONOMIC ADVISOR? If you said Barrack Obama then you would be correct. I have to go to work now, but when I get back from work, I'm going to spend some time talking about Obama's connections through the CAC in Chicago. Since connections seem to be so important, there's been a break through in this area that the American public hasn't been privvy to yet, and when I have more time this evening I will share with any who are interested.
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Give me a break with playing loose and fast with history and facts. From the Investors Business Daily: http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306370789279709 Big Government: Barack Obama and Democrats blame the historic financial turmoil on the market. But if it's dysfunctional, Democrats during the Clinton years are a prime reason for it. Obama in a statement yesterday blamed the shocking new round of subprime-related bankruptcies on the free-market system, and specifically the "trickle-down" economics of the Bush administration, which he tried to gig opponent John McCain for wanting to extend. But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with multiculturalism, that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street's most revered institutions. Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was either that or face stiff government penalties. The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President Clinton put on steroids the Community Reinvestment Act*, a well-intended Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but "predatory." Yes, shame on President Bush for not repealing this incredibly foolish piece of legislation while he was in office. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago. Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry. Yes, again shame on President Bush for failing to overide Congressional Democratic resistance 5 years ago to such a measure. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16&bill=s109-190#sMonofilemx003Ammx002Fmmx002Fmmx002Fmhomemx002Fmgovtrackmx002Fmdatamx002Fmusmx002Fm109mx002Fmcrmx002Fms20060525-16.xmlElementm0m0m0m "For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs--and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO's report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO's report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay." Senator McCain said two years ago. And yes, shame shame shame on Senator McCain for not being able to sway Deomocrats in the US Senate to see things his way two years ago. Now it's time for the "LOL" and how all these sources are right wing hacks. I know, I've seen this movie before.
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From a reputable news source, some of it backed up from other reputable news sources in this very thread that I have previously posted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHj8-HSi5AA&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/23/video-whos-responsible-for-the-fannie-and-freddie-mess/ In 2005, even after being warned by the Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan in front of the appropriate Congressional hearing, all REPUBLICANS voted for regulation of Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac and all DEMOCRATS voted against such regulation. Why did they vote against it? So people who couldn't qualify for home loans under more RESPONSIBLE and stringent rules could borrow the money for a home they couldn't afford. And now we all get to pitch in for someone else's irresponsibility.
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I'm not arguing back and forth anymore WarPig, if all you can do is say that I am spreading untruth's while not providing any evidence from a reputable source to back up your stance, then knock yourself out. I have already in this thread posted two reputable news reports explaining how the Democrats blocked corrective action against Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2003 and 2005. John Biden in action.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTBZHf6WyG0&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/23/biden-on-fdrs-management-of-the-1929-crash/ Uh... wrong. FDR didn't take office until 1933 and television wasn't the main medium to the American people for another decade after 1929. That speech Biden is referring to never happened. You're not Joe? Better talk to Obama, he said clean coal technology is a resource that he would develop as President.
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What's goofy, is American's making bad decisions with their own money, and they expecting the US government and their fellow tax payers to bail them out. I feel bad for those who took on a APR mortgage. But that was a private and personal decision made by the individual, and it was a poor choice. That's how people gain experience, by making decisons for themselves. So now the whole world learned what I knew when I purchased my house in 1995, APR loans are a bad idea. People tried to talk me into taking on a APR, telling me it would save me money over a fixed rate. But the common sense factor in my head told me that I didn't want to put my house loan at the mercy of the federal interest rate which can and will fluctuate.
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The two major things going on right now can be laid right at the Democrat's feet. High gas prices and house forclosures. The gas thing started about 30 years ago with President Carter. And the housing crisis started 13 years ago when Presdient Clinton signed into law housing financing laws that encouraged bankers to loan money to those who would not be otherwise qualified. But the Democrats are not the only culprits. I blame the entire government. They let the American people down big time. The lesson to anyone who's thinking of purchasing a house in the future. Used a FIXED rate. The Variable rates is what did this, those loans that increased as the interest increased.
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I can't wait to see who criticizes this news source.... heh heh heh (make it sound sinister in your head) Not all earmarks are bad. But Dang. Over 300 million in one year?
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Hog = the motorcyle I ride. Wild = an officer once said of me, "that Gunnery Sergeant should be kept in a cage" during a deployment in the Med.
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Yep, the boy's played really well. Especially Andrew Kim who put that spanking onto Sergio Garcia.
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So far, I've been wrong about nothing. I pass on information from reputable news sources to inform those who see it. And then allow people to make up their own mind. Obama on one news report interfered with foriegn relations and underminded a sitting President. Obama on another news report, from the reports straight from the White House did not interfere. The truth is in the eye of the beholder. But I think I am safe in saying, on this news story with reference to the Democratic Party, this is the first time President Bush wasn't a "stupid cowboy" or telling "lies". So, either this is the FIRST thing President Bush has ever got right. Or maybe, the critisism from those in the other party need to be taken into context. We are one country. We are all American's. If you find yourself in a bar fight in Banledesh and it's 1 American against 10 Bangledesh citizens, if I was there your numbers would increase by 100%. But if I was in the same bar, with 10 locals and 100 Democrats, I think I would still be on my own. And this thread proves that proves that point. We can't be civil, we can't agree to disagree. We have to call names, we have to insult, we have to demonize. Can't we finish in Iraq? Can't we put up a strong front against those who want to kill us? Can't we find some middle ground on abortion? Can't we find a fair tax law? Can't we promote democracy without pissing people off around the world, probably not, some people don't want to be elected out of office. Can't we come up with clean energy solutions, the arguement has been going on for 30 years so blaming one party for a lack of clean energy is a waste of time. Can't we do something? This country was built on the premise of compromise for the common good. I would like very much to see us get back to that instead of the partisan gridlock and finger point on both sides we have now. WE deserve better. Be informed, vote.
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The other side of the story about Obama's visit to Iraq. Like I've said many times during my life, I don't ever have a problem with the truth and always think it's the best policy. So in that sense of not being misleading, this story contradicts a post I previously made on Obama's meeting in Iraq, and all who see this will know as much as I do on the subject. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/undermining-mcc.html Lending significant credence to Obama's response is the fact that -- though it's absent from the Post story and other retellings -- in addition to Obama and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, this July meeting was also attended by Bush administration officials such as U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker and the Baghdad embassy's Legislative Affairs advisor Rich Haughton, as well as a Republican senator, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska. Attendees of the meeting back Obama's account, including not just Sen. Jack Reed, D-RI, but Hagel, Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffers from both parties. Officials of the Bush administration who were briefed on the meeting by the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad also support Obama's account and dispute the Post story and McCain attack. Both sides so anyone interested can decide for themselves what the truth is.
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So what's the Democratic Congress going to do about the current economic crisis? http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aVPBaUbYV_qQ Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) -- The Democratic-controlled Congress, acknowledging that it isn't equipped to lead the way to a solution for the financial crisis and can't agree on a path to follow, is likely to just get out of the way. Lawmakers say they are unlikely to take action before, or to delay, their planned adjournments -- Sept. 26 for the House of Representatives, a week later for the Senate. While they haven't ruled out returning after the Nov. 4 elections, they would rather wait until next year unless Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, who are leading efforts to contain the crisis, call for help. I'm sure some will be OK with this, since this current crisis is ALL President Bush's administration fault. So who are these two fine men that the Congressional Leadership have enough confidence in to leave this crisis to? Well the Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairmain Ben S. Bernanke are members of President Bush's CABINET. So it's fair to say, that the only thing the Democratic led Congress is good at is: 1. Assigning blame. 2. Going on vaction during not one, but two crisis' in a row.
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http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/18/1419074.aspx “Catholic social doctrine as I was taught it is, you take care of people who need the help the most,†he said. “Now it'd be different if you could make the case to me that by giving this tax cut to the very wealthy, everybody else was going to be better off. We saw what happened the last eight years when we gave that tax cut." Heck yea, that's what we need, some of Senator Biden's Catholic values. Like his Catholic stance that abortion is prefectly OK..... uh wait, that's not a Catholic value. I'm sooooo confuuuuused.
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A bit left? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/business/media/08msnbc.html?_r=3&ref=business&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin After months of accusations of political bias and simmering animosity between MSNBC and its parent network NBC, the channel decided over the weekend that the NBC News correspondent and MSNBC host David Gregory would anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night. Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews will remain as analysts during the coverage. “The most disappointing shift is to see the partisan attitude move from prime time into what’s supposed to be straight news programming,†said Davidson Goldin, formerly the editorial director of MSNBC and a co-founder of the reputation management firm DolceGoldin. In interviews, 10 current and former staff members said that long-simmering tensions between MSNBC and NBC reached a boiling point during the conventions. “MSNBC is behaving like a heroin addict,†one senior staff member observed. “They’re living from fix to fix and swearing they’ll go into rehab the next week.â€