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Having a hard time placing the name, however it appears others are not. Welcome Back!

Welcome to Urgent Fury. Please check out our tournament section as applications for Endurance are currently being accepted.

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Directors and Staff would like to take this time to Officially welcome AES to the Urgent Fury community as an accepted clan of the Urgent Fury community. Your clan has demonstrated that you are the type of clan that makes Urgent Fury what it is. Each and every night your clan has shown up prepared to battle and do so with honor and integrity. You have handled everything here at UF in a manner that is consistent with the values we expect from the teams competing here. You are now eligible to compete in any future tournaments here at UF as well as our TacMap offerings. Congratulations and welcome to the community.

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Urgent Fury PSA Knowledge is power. Have you heard that statement before? I believe most would say yes, as it is a very real and true statement. That statement could be said to have had a direct impact on the many technological advances, we have seen in the last 2 decades. We live in a society in which instant access to information can be the difference between success and failure. Since the 80’s, technology has brought us many great new inventions, products and ideas. First there were pagers and then cell phones. Then came the Internet, emails and public forums. This phenomenon allowed the pc to become a standard household item. In 1997 18% of households in America had a computer, That percentage tripled to 55% by 2003. By 2007 according to a market report by Jupiter that percentage grew to 78%. The most recent numbers I could find by Nielsen say it is 80%. That is a lot of instant knowledge and power, however Americans were not satisfied with waiting to get home to get their fix on information and power, thus the birth of the smartphones. While there were earlier versions of the smartphone, the first that allowed for limited web browsing was released in 2001. Palm Inc. introduced the Kyocera 6035. The war was on. Americans were ecstatic over the ability to have a device in their pocket that would not only allow them to phone anyone at anytime, but would also allow them to have access to email and the web at all times. As of last year over 91 percent of Americans have cellphones that allow them to always be connected to the information highway and each other. We have become dependent on our personal devices to keep us connected, to keep us up to date. With great power, comes great responsibility. This is another, well known phrase that was made popular by the movie “Spidermanâ€. Just as the previously mentioned phrase, it is very accurate and true. You can arm yourself with all the knowledge and power in the world, however if you are unable to use it properly or in the correct manner, instead of a success, you will find failure. I know this has been long and you are all probably wondering what all this has to do with a PSA for Urgent Fury? As I stated we live in a world where we always want to be connected. We do not want to miss anything. That being said, there is a function on our forums that our community users can set up to have their PM’s sent to their email. Any time you receive a pm on the UF site an email will be sent to your email account, which most now have access to on their smartphones. This email will come to you from Admin@urgentfury.com. This is how the site informs you of your new pm. This email will also state, DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL! *************************** If you do not pay attention to the email, such as to who it is from, why you got it and the statement, DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL, and you reply to this email, an email and your private message (PM) included in the email, will go to the admin@urgentfury inbox. A director will see that pm. In closing, if you choose to be connected. If you choose to use great technology, please be sure you do so wisely and correctly.

Congrats SHO.

Stryker, I am going to give you a word of advice. Your coming here and making this post, is not the impression you want to give this community. Your first impression has not been favorable.

No Hippie, nothing was removed from here. He is responding to the quote in the second post. That quote is a post that can be found in the Clan Leaders only section. In other words, John responded to a post there and an individual decided to bring it from the Clan Leaders Only section to the public forum.

Congrats and good luck!

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Happy Bday

Hippie another good post as these are the types of things we have been in discussions about the last few days. We have to get better. People complain so often we have so many rules, however it is due to instances such as these where new rules have to be put in affect. It is a game and it should be fun, but in the same token it is a competition. While competition is great, there has to be guidelines and rules in place. If not, we see individuals and or teams just not in our community but in every aspect of competition, looking for ways to find an edge. Sometimes this edge comes in the form of hard work, but it also comes in the form of exploiting the rules and or flaws in the game. It is sad when that does occur, however it does and we must always try and do our best to get ahead of those who may try and obtain an unfair edge.

Thank Hippie and as far as the rule goes, it is being rebuilt from the ground up. On your second point, this is something that have have thought about and briefly brought up one time, but I really feel the idea has merit and will be discussing this with the Directors. Thanks again for your post.

Tool I am not quite sure I understand what you are asking? Could you please ask again.

Great question Puddy....You are correct that in TacMaps when so much is at stake such as territories and POWS, there is sometime the need for a very quick response. Such as the case if a violation is reported on a Monday and Tuesday and the team in question has all their wars the rest of the week. As staff we can only do the best we can to quickly resolve the issue, because as you have said, so much is as stake. As far as postponing wars and such, that to is a crap shoot. We have some who have no issue in it while others say it is unfair as they set up their roster for the nights they had scheduled and to move them would put them at a disadvantage. As you see there is no easy solution at this time, other than for staff to do their best to resolve the issue as quickly as possible. I will however give great thought on this question to see if there is a be all, beat all type of solution. Again great question Puddy and long time no see.

Prime no matter how you dissect this, there was going to be issues no matter what, however that is really beside the point as it was not handled correctly. Had they posted it in the CR section when they first got the info and we waited a week, then it would even be a bigger issue, however that is not what transpired. The bottom line is we have to follow protocol. Many individuals failed in that. We all share responsibility in that.

While some may perceive that as the case, I will tell you this, I can personally attest that there was continued debate on what should be done, way prior to anyone leaving. The revision was born of continued dialog amongst staff and not due to those choosing to leave. The individual who called me at 3:46am can attest, I told him they should not of left. They should of stayed and fought. There was a rhyme and reason for that.

Tool, to be honest I am unable to answer that question as to your situation is unique. I wil allow the directors to answer. Mike, you have never had issue an before with arguing your stance, even when a ruling said final. As I recall I have seen you fight feverishly before when a so called final ruling was made, even to the point of the ruling being changed. Nobody is infallible. There are times more evidence is brought forward or possibly an angle we have not seen. I myself have even over turned them. In this case I have even said we as Staff caved into the pressure of being hurried to make a ruling. In doing so we erred. We have owned up to our part. Matty, I am glad you see the reasoning behind not taking this to a trusted member behind closed doors. Next on the issue where you see final ruling as not being overturned, please see above. There have been quite a few instances where this happened and how can you say it could not happen as it did. We did change what we did, even without the reps challenging it. As far as the rushing of the decision, I did say that while we were urged to do so quickly, the responsibility still fell upon us to do the right thing and we hastily made a decision. We have acknowledge our error in that. Now as far as the past ruling and how you view it as different. We can debate this all you want, however the issue is exactly the same. According to just parts of the rule, you should of been removed from the tournament and suspended. We had to deal with some teams questioning then, just as happened this time, why teams were not removed and suspended. The only difference was, when we explained the intent of the rule and we found there was no intent to deceive or defraud by any parties so we just removed the players, the CR's accepted that for what it was and we moved forward without incident. I hope this answers your question fellas.

To all members of the Urgent Fury Community, On behalf of the Directors and Staff, I would like to take this time to address the recent issues of clans and people leaving UF, due to a ruling in the Clan Rep Section of the current COD tournament: In Country, as well as the ruling itself. The issue and it’s ruling were doomed from the start. From how the complaint was brought forward, to how it was handled, this issue was handled incorrectly. There is a process that needs to be followed and that process was ignored. When tried and trued processes are ignored, breakdown occurs and that is what happened in this case. Every aspect of this issue was bungled from start to finish. As Directors and Staff, it is not only our desire, but it is our responsibility to the community to do our best to ensure that every product we put out and every issue we address is done so with the utmost due diligence. These issue, should not only be handled with our community in mind, but with our community as our priority. In this case as stated, there was a breakdown. For our role in this we do apologize. In this case, we had a member from a competing clan in In Country, contact a member of staff personally, behind closed doors, with complaints that a clan participating in In Country had illegally placed members on their roster as well as they had participated in matches. This behind closed door contact is a direct violation of the process. Teams are informed that any and all complaints and tournament issues are to be discussed solely in the CR section. Both the player who wished to remain anonymous as well as their clan, are well aware that this was a violation, yet they ignored the process. This was the first breakdown. The staff member, at the point of contact with the anonymous complainant, should of informed the anonymous complainant that he would not discuss this privately. If he had a complaint to have his CR post it in the CR section. That was not done. This was the second breakdown. The contacted Staff member then brings this issue to the staff section for debate. Per the tried and trued process, staff is not to deliberate a tournament complaint, until there is a formal complaint. This is due to due process. The accused has the right to face their accuser. The accused has a right to defend themselves. To debate an issue, staff should have access to both a complaint and a rebuttal before reaching any conclusion. We need to see all the evidence to reach a fair ruling. The staff member bringing this to the staff section with out a complaint was the third breakdown. Staff and Directors, both share responsibility in the forth breakdown as we did deliberate on one side of an issue. This was a violation of the process. There should never of been debate on this topic prior to a complaint and rebuttal. We needed both sides of the story, so again that is the fourth breakdown. The fifth breakdown was a culmination of many things. The complainant was informed that this needed to be done in the CR section before we could address it. When it was posted, wildfire took over as soon as it hit and everyone chimed in they should be kicked. 3 clans were very vocal over this and it ended up being the 3 who resigned. To them there was no other side of the story. There were no mitigating circumstances. There was no need to debate this issue, as it was all black and white with no room for discussion. They felt this was a clear violation with no defendable rebuttal. They were asking for immediate action, no deliberations needed. Nothing else needed to be considered. We could not do that. We had to look at all relevant evidence as well as past rulings. We had to take our time to come up with the right fair ruling. This was something that the Reps and especially the 3 clans who resigned, decided for us, that we did not need. They felt that we should answer them and answer them now. That is when we as Staff, committed another error. We caved to the pressure. We allowed the CR’s to dictate when the answer would come. There are a lot of issues that can be resolved quickly. In this case due to all things that needed to be considered such as territories, pow’s, past precedents and all the clan who were beat by these players playing, made this not an easy fix. This issue would take some careful thought out deliberations on how to proceed. Making a ruling in this situation will always and I mean always be seen as unfair to some. Everyone is affected by this ruling. What some may see as fair and equitable others not so as they will feel slighted. For all of these reasons, there was not an easy fix, yet here the CR’s were demanding immediate action and well as stated we caved and a ruling was made. The ruling appeared to be final and those who were not happy with it decided to revolt. That was the final breakdown. Anyone who has participated here at Urgent Fury knows that a major requirement we have is that when you select your CR, we ask that you select an individual who is level headed, responsible and will represent their clan in a respectful manner. To select an individual who will do their best, to mediate any issues in an unbiased way as possible. This situation is a perfect example of why. As I have shown there were many missteps along the way by many parties that contributed to what has transpired, however even when a ruling came down, that does not mean the end. I had an individual call me on Saturday night/Sunday morning at 3:46am regarding this situation. Thank you very much by the way? During our conversation I was very blunt and informed this individual that they called it quits way to soon. They informed me they felt it was over and final. I said, “how can you say that, when you did not try and mediate with Staff and the Directors over the final rulingâ€. The CR’s were more than welcomed to challenge and discuss the ruling, however that was not the route they chose. They chose to leave the tournament as a show of solidarity, rather than stand up for what they believed in, in the CR section. While that is their right to walk, I felt it would of served them better to mediate the situation as mature adults in the CR section. They had nothing to lose by doing so. Why was there such a rush? To that there was really no answer other than they felt it was a lost cause. You will never know unless you put forth the effort. In this case you have seen what has transpired with the accused. They have post up a resignation post and have sincerely apologized to the community for what has transpired. Why is that important? I have read the post and seen the comments. We have heard comments come from both sides. When we talk about previous rulings, we seen an individual say you have to look at each case individually. When we do not rule exactly as previous we hear well you set a precedent. Right there you have 2 people on opposite sides on how you should view a situation. In the case of UF we look at everything. Every case is ruled individually on the evidence presented as well as how we handle previous incidents of like nature. The rule that sparked this whole controversy came to be, because the community asked for it. The community was tired of seeing clans come to UF not as a clan, but just a mix match team to win tournaments. Teams of Ringers and Rent a Players. We listened to the community and the rule was born. This rule is known as the Rent A Player rule, affectionately known by quite a few as “The JYK Rule†Not soon after in late 2009 the rule was put to the test. A similar complaint was filed back then. When all the dust was settled and all the investigation was done, we found that the little pieces of the rule that people were picking out and wanting to be enforced, was not what the spirit of the rule was. If we were to of enforced the rule back then by that standard and the standard that was asking to be applied here, one of the teams who were very vocal of the removal of Aiel in this issue would of missed a year of playing here at UF as they would have been removed from that tourney and suspended a year. That did not happen, as one of the main themes of the rule is intent. Was their intent to defraud the community and defame the tournament? When we investigated the last time we found no intent to harm the community or tournament and it was an innocent omission or oversight. In that case we removed the players in question. Also in that case several more teams and another long standing clan in this community who has been an upstanding clan as well, could have been suspended over this rule, if we only looked at part of the rule. Their case too, was a simple oversight. They did not try defraud the tournament or the UF community. In that case when resolved as previously mentioned, there was no issue such as this one. Now back to this situation. A ruling was handed down that was expedited needlessly under the pressure of the CR’s. Instead of using the CR section as intended, to mediate such rulings, they decided to walk from the tournament. I will say that in this case that none of the Directors and or Staff were completely satisfied with the initial ruling and we continued to debate it in the staff section. Several proposals came up. Finally I myself proposed a ruling that everyone felt was the best possible solution to this situation. Caracarn, leader of Aiel was to be approached with 2 options. I wished I could see the puzzled look on his face, as he has no idea what I am talking about, as option 2 was never presented. It didn’t have to be and for that I commend you Caracarn Option 1: To resign from the tourney. Option 2: Be removed from the tournament and suspended for a year. Some may or may not agree with us giving them an option, however I will explain why it was done this way. As with the previous case and with this one, we felt the biggest issue here was intent. Community members felt that their whole intent was winning at all cost. That they had no issue with using ringers and or rent a players. That winning is what defined them and not their character. This is what we needed to know as staff. We needed to find out the intent of their actions. While this case was very similar to the previous issue we had, we felt this situation was on a grander scale, more egregious and for that reason we felt the punishment should be on a grander scale. By taking option one this showed us they do hold UF in high regards. They realized the error of their ways and winning at all cost was not the reason for this adding of illegal players. As stated when approached by Johnson, option 2 never was even brought up. As soon as Johnson started with the resignation option, Caracarn was all over it and remorseful with what transpired. Since this was Johnson who actually spoke with Caracarn, I will let him if he so chooses, to divulge more on this. I would also like to add, that there was previous discussions with Staff and Caracarn about the possible merger with these gunners well before this incident took place. They were asking about if they would have to re-apply to UF in the event that they merge. This was more proof that that was their intention. Even though that was their intention and no disrespect or dishonor was meant, it was decided that they needed to resign from the tournament. So as you can see many breakdowns in the procedure occurred along the way. All parties involved share responsibility in the breakdown. As Directors and Staff we acknowledge our role and again we apologize for our errors in handling this. We are sorry that the community has had to endure this issue in the forums and we are sorry that long standing teams of our community felt the need to leave. We regret that this occurred and wished that these individuals could’ve at least had a little faith in the process to work this out. We wish the best to those who chose to leave and ask that in the future, please allow staff the time to look at all angles of a situation. To have faith in the staff to come to the best possible solution. If a decision is made that you may not like, we will listen to a rebuttal. The late Pearl Buck, an award-winning American writer once said, “Every great mistake has a halfway moment, a split second when it can be recalled and perhaps remedied.†Maybe in the future everyone involved in this issue can try and take notice before that split second is gone.

You are wrong Backlash. That rule was put into effect prior to what I listed.

Pathogen are you suggesting that 101 quit that tournament? If so you are mistaken. 101 in fact did not quit that tournament. Did we have an issue with a ruling? We sure did. The ruling impacted us more than anyone because it was against us. The community did band together over the ruling as it was a ruling which totally contradicted a previous ruling of the same nature. It also did not help that he made it in favor of his own team. To this day, I have no idea why the ruling was made the way it was however it was. As mentioned it did not go over well. There was outcry from the community. This outcry was not just because of this one ruling but what some members of the community thought was a pattern of favoritism. I recall this issue well as I started the complaint about this ruling on this night about us having to play like 8 men down for a war vs them due to a server issue. Many were not affected, but many were as well. APC was able to log on there full amount while 101 had about half. He ruled since some could get on that it was just bad luck and we would have to play shorthanded. The issue I had, as I was the CR for 101, was just a few weeks prior there was another server issue. Many were affected and many were not. APC that night had most of there gunners affected, while the opposing team was able to field a full squad. Due to the server issue on that night it was decided to cancel the wars, yet in our case it was oh well tough luck. In other words two complete different ruling for the exact thing. Yes I put up a post questioning the ruling. Yes i did, continue to argue the fight as it was not a ruling that was consistent. In that process, others came into our thread and called for the rules to be applied equally. For that I applauded them, however then things got ugly. People crossed the line of being respectful and took a thread in which I stayed professional til the very end and well as I said, it got ugly. People started getting banned. Free Douggie sigs went up all over the place. When the bans started coming, it kept getting worse. I again maintain my professionalism trying to deal with the situation. Then it was done. I guess it got to hot and Tow decided to ban everyone in the thread. Well since it was my battle, he decided to ban 101 as well. Now about us quitting. No that did not happen. Did we talk about it? Yes we did. Did others announce they were quitting? Yes they did, however once again 101 never declared that. The tourney was shut down and to be honest i am not sure had it remained if we would of stayed or left, but we did not make any declaration as was said, the tournament was called off and everyone of those teams banned. Also if you recall, the only one let back in within a week was 101. As we did not get belligerent in the thread. We just fought a good fight. Anyhow back to this issue and why it is totally different than the above mentioned issue. The last issue dealt with a ruling that was made in 2 different server issues, completely opposite of one another. One the wars were cancelled, the other it was said tough luck play down as is. The problem with that was again when the server issue occurred the first time the person making the rulings clan was affected so the wars were cancelled. In the second instance they were not affected yet their opponent was heavily affected, yet this time it was oh well that's the breaks. Those are conflicting rulings. In this case there are no conflicting rulings. As a matter of fact, it is highly consistent of previous rulings dealing with the same issue. A few tournaments back, we had this issue arise. One team complained about another. Then the complaints came all over. In the end we found several teams to be in violation of the rule if you did not read the whole rule and understand the theme of the rule. Did we remove these teams from their tournament? No we did not. Did we suspend them from UF for a period of no less then 1 year? No we did not. When we investigated the previous issue, staff determined that the teams who had illegal players, did not intentionally or knowingly recruit players for the sole purpose of being just a part time player on their teams. They were under the impression that these players were to be a part of their team and their team alone. So what did happen in those cases. Each team had to remove the player from their rosters and lose those spots for the remainder of the tournament. Sounds familiar doesn't it. Sounds exactly as what happened in this case. Had we ruled in that situation as you are asking for here, this community and this tournament would of had 2 less teams as they would still be under suspension. Imagine that? Two teams who are currently looked at as pillars of this community would of been still suspended had we acted as you are asking the directors to do in this case. Now I suppose the argument is what was done knowingly and with what intent was it done. That can and will be up for debate by everyone. Just as the prior cases were. The bottom line is everyone will have their opinion. No one is right and no one is wrong, unless those who were guilty of the offense go take a polygraph and we find out. We do not have that luxury. All we can do is go by what we have seen and what is presented to us and any precedent that was previously set. Then you have to factor in everything and come to a conclusion. I would imagine that the Directors along with Johnson, took the past rulings as well as all evidence that has been presented and that is how they based their ruling.

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Just got mine as well.