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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ilwk_wmsQk Go to the 3:00 mark and watch, or just watch the whole thing. (3:18) "I just wanna make sure that they're paying a little bit more in order to pay for those other tax cuts. Wow, I heard it! Thats what he said!!!! But he 'does' mention it as a small 5%, to help out those who make up the remaining 95% of 'working' individuals. I just had a long talk with someone who seems to think that people who are on welfare and not working will get this tax cut. He explains to me, that only those who file for income tax are 'working people' right? So if you do not make over $12,000.00 a year...you cannot even file. So those who aren't working or on welfare are not going to see these Tax Cuts. If someone sees this point differently, please let me hear your thoughts. And my apologies '[iLL] Squid': I didn't think that deeply into it. You are 100% correct in that statement you made!
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Wow! I would like to see proof, of where Obama says that 'he is going to increase taxes for those making more than $250,000 to cover the tax cuts for those making less than $250,000.' If someone is adding to his words, then that is wrong as you are distorting Obamas plan considerably: Joe Biden made the issue of $150,000.00 "AFTER" he referred to 'someone who is making 1.4 million a year. He was 'clearly' customizing the plan for the example given. Here is a breadown (and Obama NEVER said he wa going to take the increase to cover for those he gives breaks to): Per the Tax Policy Center, here is how Obama's tax plan breaks down for individuals: $0-$18,891 = $567 tax cut $18,982-$37,595 = $892 tax cut $37,596-$66,354 = $1,118 tax cut $66,355-$111,645 = $1,264 tax cut $111,646-$160,972 = $2,135 tax cut $160,973-$226,918 = $2,796 tax cut $226,919-$603,402 = $121 tax increase $603,403-$2.87 million = $93,709 tax increase $2.87 million-plus = $542,882 tax increase I just think that when people 'leave things out', or 'add things in', it distorts the truth. Again, show me where he says that 'he is going to increase taxes for those making more than $250,000 to cover the tax cuts for those making less than $250,000. I 'really' would like to see that.
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'Before', you guys start talking about that 'video' that the L.A. Times has and chooses to withhold about Obama 'toasting to' Rashid Khalidi, that McCain wants soo dearly to be shown...please be informed that McCAIN "ALSO" supported him by giving him $$$$$$ contributions!: REFERENCE: 1. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/28/193350/11/648/645157 2. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/mccain-funded-work-of-pal_n_138606.html Say it ain't so, JOE! Looks like "McCains, 'guilt-by-association' game...burns John McCain as well!" 6 MORE DAYS! I SAY WE GET THAT 'PRESIDENTIAL SHOOTOUT' DURING ELECTION DAY, STARTED!
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Um, not true: REFERENCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/01/palin-directed-stevens-ex_n_122973.html And now that he has dirt on him, she's thrown him under the bus (lot's of people under that GOP bus! Can't wait 'til they throw 'Palin' under there!) lmao
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It looks like YOU are bashing those who are voting of their own free choice. I don't think its fair the posts you've just made, because it is trying to sway the poll to some sort. Why can't you just allow people to make their own choices? And from the history books, nobody 'left' England...they were cast out on a boat that just 'happened' to hit a rock.
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First Assassination Atempt - Foiled: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27405681/
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Why do you support McCain? (At a Palin Rally in Grand Junction, Colorado we ask people why they support John McCain. Pay attention, these people are voting for McCain, but they seem to be misinformed about alot of details...): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar71V0MS1jg
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Dude, you have it all wrong...Again! He was talking about "the civil rights movement, and the fairly commonplace observation (stated beginning with Martin Luther King) that the '60s movement succeeded in winning African-Americans 'legal rights', but stopped short of lifting them out of poverty." This has nothing to do with his beliefs that restructuring and upbuilding starts from the Middle-class - upward, and not how it's been especially in the last 8 years...where the wealth is expected to 'trickle down', and has not! 'Redistribution of Wealth', is the idea of bringing the economy-building force (which resides in the middle-class and 'not' the wealthy!), "back" to the Middle-class, where all job force strengths reside. I can't believe that you 'HogWild', would even fall for this latest attack from the Johnny Mac camp. :-[ And someone better get ahold of your 'girl'! Shes 'STIRRING THINGS UP', within her OWN GOP now! They're starting to jump ship, and shes gone 'rogue'! lmao REFERENCE: Actual 'COMPLETE' Interview:[/b] ~ GET THE 'FACTS', DON'T TRUST THE LIES http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck
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Even though I am voting for Obama, 'McCain' is a GREAT MAN!: http://deseretnews.com/article/content/mobile/1,5620,695220514,00.html?printView=true
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Bandit99: You made some good points. Some of them are questionable. Like the Democratic Admin having full control over the situation. They were 'permitted' because EVERYONE was involved in the greed, both parties. Yes, it was the Clinton Administration who were running things, but the Repubs were in CONTROL. They had every chance to regulate those issues, but the greed got in their way. This is why McCain is known as the 'De-regulator', because that is JUST what he did! In any court of law, if you are in a stolen car and are KNOWLEDGABLE that it is stolen but continue to ride in it...then you are an Accessory to that crime. No one should be pointing the fingers here. They all contributed to our present downfall, either by doing or NOT DOING. So we are past all that now. The issue is about repairing the damage. FUCK the blame game, because 'everyone' should go to jail, if that is the case. Cutting the Military Budget by 25%? You DO KNOW, that if ever that funding needed to be increased, it would be right? But 10 billion dollars a month, when Iraq just sits on their own money...is a bit foolish to me. The mentioning of Colin Powell? He was the Repubs 'boy'! They put him up to the WMD issue, and then they threw him under the bus. Even a 12yr old can see that! But even with his honors and 'respect for his Republican Party'...he is a fair man, and obviously "SEE's THINGS MUCH BETTER THAN YOU OR I", being in the middle of it all. So 'maybe' his reasons for endorsing Obama are legit? We 'have' to give him the benefit, seeing at how his own party did him. You mentioned 'him' as the source around all the WMD issues? Well 'who was handling all that shit? ~ RIGHT! ~ The Rebublicans. Alot of us 'are very knowledgable' about our choice. Even if our choice loses, we have to support the chosen one. I'm all about that. I 'still' think that if any other nominee was in this election 'other than Obama'...that McCain would not even get support. This is what I see. He got no support when he 'first' ran. Why does he get all this support now? I think it's because he's the only other choice! And I cannot bear the idea, of a 'PPP' (Possible Palin for Prez)! I most surely would consider moving back to Europe if 'that' ever happened. I have witnessed her LIE in peoples face about 'Abusing Power'. Until 'that' (well, not to mention how 'Congress' SHUT DOWN her building plans, and she still claims that 'she did', is another one!), I was really giving her the benefit. Just for her to come on the seen 'slamming others' to get to the top, left a bad taste in my mouth. Even those whom she attacked, did gave her all the respect! That shows bad character. No matter how you slice it up, the Republican party has been in control 'regardless' of the Clinton ADMIN! They could have stopped shit, but the greedy MOFO's did nothing. It's time for a NEW Sheriff now.
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HogWild: Yea, I meant the part where he said that 'Obama would have a spine of steel'. And I too, have been using References of reliable source. I guess I just got lazy and put up some 'YouTube' stuff. We really do appreciate all of your input, as I'm sure alot of it has made us 'more aware' if not understanding regarding this whole election process. Don't Stop! ~ This thread has been nothing but informative with you and WarPig, if not many of the other posts...
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We'll see ya all, in the field!
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Good Luck, and take care of yourself, and the others! Hopefully, you can find time to report to the forums to give us a 'headsup' on whats going on with YOU, and over there! I really would like to know, as some of our members are doing the same thing!
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Seriously, Bidens comments were taken way out of context. No one ever mentions that after he said that Obama would be tested... 'he INCLUDED' the fact that Obama will hold up to the occasion. And as far as Palin not undermining or contradicting McCain: 'She doesn't need to do it. They BOTH, contradict THEMSELVES!' ~ lmfao REFERENCES: McCain's Contractions... 1. 2. 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG7Xp2XnvlQ&feature=related ~ (my favorite!) 4. Palins Contractions and Lies... 1. ~ (start at 2:18)2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tc7BF_Fd7I 3. Please, From a 'KNOWN' "DE-REGULATOR", and now he wants to Regulate? And Palin STILL says she was not in violation of 'Abuse of Power!' ~ Please!
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OMG! THAT'S THE BEST ONE, YET! LMFAO!!!
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This is a developing story, so it is not yet complete. I'm sure someone will post updates in this thread: REFERENCE: http://wbztv.com/national/isiah.thomas.overdose.2.848136.html
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Remember the Campaign GIRL, who 'FIRST CLAIMED' that she was robbed and assaulted by a man who carved a 'B' onto her cheek after noticing that her bumpersticker showed a McCain Poster? Her name is Ashley Todd? OH! ~ He just 'happened to be BLACK' and was 'Irate' that she was supporting McCain, enough to kick her ass and cut on her 'after' he got the money? Remember? Well, SHE LIED! Her story started changing from robbery to sexual assualt, etc. and so the Police saw too many inconsistancies. And why would anyone carve a 'Backwards B'? In case someones looking at her in a 'rearview'...so that they can see that she is for Obama? Please, these 'McCain Supporters' need to get their LIES straight! lmao REFERENCES: 1. http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html 2. http://www.truecrimereport.com/2008/10/its_probably_a_good_idea.php
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Well I definitely didn't come here for remorse so no need to say sorry my brotha. The main thing I like about UF is how you have to follow rules to the T, and I pride myself on being thorough with everything I do . So if I came here asking for a pass, it would be against what I am about. I got caught up, so we take our L like men. But I will definitely stick around and hopefully we can participate in the Horsemen Tournament when it comes along. Once again good luck to everyone, and thank you again for the opportunity! Next time I wont choke on it... Seriously 'Tha-Truth', with your extensive experience in Tournaments of all sorts and your dedication, etc. I did not even 'think' to contact you about the deadlines here. You and I still have some 'business' to get into, so just remember that '4 weeks' goes by very quickly! We ourselves were on 'hold by my request', beause I did not want to hold the process up for those who were 'ready', as I could not get a roster list submittal in an orderly amount of time from clan staff. You WILL be here for the next one, and I will Personally keep in touch with you to remind (if need be) as to anything that I might see [FBR] lacking in submitting. We will talk later on, but I just wanted you to know that you should have been involved in 'THESE TOURNEYS'...a long, long time ago!~ lol ;D TTYL, Bro!
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'HogWild' is a 'standup' guy. I made it to 'Bandit99s' post a little late to mention this, but 'Hog' and 'Warpig' are the kind of people that can disagree on something, but are ready to 'self-correct' on the spot! These two 'also' bring alot of enlightenment about this campain. Things I would 'never look up' or pay attention to...they have informed us greatly! And an an unbiased nature, might I add! They are perfect examples, of how McCain and Obama should be like, in this election! Not slandering (yes! I said that they 'both are pulling lows!), and twisting the other's TRUTHS, etc.
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How about 'Marshmellow-Nazi'? If they can do it with 'cheez-its'...they can do it with anything ~ lol
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Yea, two, the same two. 1) Why not produce the original and put this issue to bed forever? 2) Why hire a team of lawyers to fight it out in court, paying out money to do so, when providing the original document ends the arguement? FIRST OFF... Hog: I'm sorry that [sCK] won't be in the 'first Confrontation Tournament'. We had some issues which needed to be attended to, before I would allow possible 'bad member exposure' to mingle with this wonderful community. Honestly, I cannot answer for the man (Obama). But even when applying for a Drivers License and other things...a 'copy of your Birth Certificate'...is all that is required! If it were 'ME', I would have done the same thing. Remember that he is a possible TARGET...as you and 'Chili Palmer' so eloquently reminded us in the first parts of this post about how 'assassinations are a way of life...get used to it!', and 'these things happen!' I just think the man is protecting his Constitutional Right to withhold things that 'may' allow him or his family harm! I mean...he's the FIRST Black man, running for President of the U.S! If ever the Judge ordered him to do so, I'm sure that he would. But we all know that the Judge won't make that an order, right? You guys fail to realize that he is a US Senator! He was Sworn into Office! He's just not one of the Good Ole Boys, is all. We should cut him some slack I watched people practically 'give Palin the keys to the city', WITHOUT questioning alot of things about her! Now that it's being done, we're finding out ALOT ABOUT GOVERNOR PALIN...she cannot even admit that she was found Quilty of 'Abuse of Power!' ~ she's soo good at lying, that even when the reporter reminded her of her crime...she replied the same lying 'as-if' shes in another dimension, or something! IMAGINE 'HER', RUNNING THIS COUNTRY! She (as 'WarPig' mentioned), STILL doesn't even know what the job of VP is!~ Give Obama a BREAK, ALREADY! lmao With ALL DUE RESPECT...PALIN, is a fuccing joke! And she's bringing the Honorable McCAIN down with her. ???
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Yea, you're right! lol Sorry that it came out the way. I was just being general. But I am a 'little' 'hypocritikil'! lmao
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Oh, 'New Subject' now? I notice that some of you guys change subjects (especially when you have 'no argument'!), more than McCain uses weapons of mass distraction! So, I guess you have no rebuttal on the 'Birth Certificate' issue huh? Good. Glad 'that one' is out of the way. Sorry that I made you waste all those posts prior. If only...I were here a little sooner. You're are gonna run out of excuses...pretty soon now ;D
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No problem 'WarPig', I'm just trying to help support you here when you're away! lol OK, NOW should WE put the 'nails' in yet? ~ Wanna hear it-here it go!: ~ lmfao
