OBAMA OR MCCAIN WHO DO YOU CHOSE

[RNG187]

Uhhh... what are you guys talking about? LOL This is a blood bath for republicans this year. There is 20 seats in congress that are very likely to be lost and 6 in the senate that quite possible will be lost. I'm not predicting... just reporting what is very likely. Check it for yourself.

 

 

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/10/27/stevens.jurors/art.ted.stevens.monday.gi.jpg

 

 

dude, honestly bro, you and hog have done SUCH a great job, i think you both should take the month off. ;D street, you should just stop trying LOL and critikal, chill. i think this thread needs to fall off..

[COWonCRACK]

 

The war in Iraq is still an unjust war.

 

 

according to st. augustine (which is who most politicians go by) the iraq war is just. people might not agree with it but it technically "just".

 

In the first place, the authority of the prince, by whose order the war is undertaken;

"the president declared the war"

 

 

In the second place, there must be a just cause; that is to say, those attacked must have, by a fault, deserved to be attacked.

"they supposedly had wmd's. not to mention the big one is harboring terrorism let alone taking away all civil rights"

 

 

 

In the third place, it is necessary that the intention of those who fight should be right; that is to say, that they propose to themselves a good to be effected or an evil to be avoided.

"to save people from terrorists"

 

 

and if the leading supporters here for obama and mcain can please tell me what exactly there going to do for taxes i would like to know.

 

 

 

[Bandit99]

So War pig, I just want to make sure I read you right. It appears as though through your posting, that you are a free thinker or want us to believe that. Yet wouldn't a free thinker be rooting for individuals they feel best suit them. People they feel are best for the country and not vote along party lines?

 

I mean come on. It appears with your last few post you are a follower of the party, and not individuals and what they represent? Am I missing something?

 

I am most assured you will indeed tell me I am.

 

I can only look at all that has transpired here and I would venture to guess that many would call it the same way, that you are not being an independent thinker here but a champion for the Democratic party as a whole?

[WARPIG]

COWonCRACK ]

 

The war in Iraq is still an unjust war.

 

 

according to st. augustine (which is who most politicians go by) the iraq war is just. people might not agree with it but it technically "just".

 

In the first place, the authority of the prince, by whose order the war is undertaken;

"the president declared the war"

 

After lying to the american people about the intel.

 

 

In the second place, there must be a just cause; that is to say, those attacked must have, by a fault, deserved to be attacked.

"they supposedly had wmd's. not to mention the big one is harboring terrorism let alone taking away all civil rights"

 

 

There was no WMDs and anyone who knows anything about the history of Iraq knows that Sadam couldn't stand Alqueda and Bin Laden... so, uh no. He was NOT harboring any terrorist. And Bush ran on not being a nation building platform.

 

 

In the third place, it is necessary that the intention of those who fight should be right; that is to say, that they propose to themselves a good to be effected or an evil to be avoided.

"to save people from terrorists"

 

HUH? LOL!!! There were NO terrorist there until we stuck our fat nose into it! LOL

 

 

and if the leading supporters here for obama and mcain can please tell me what exactly there going to do for taxes i would like to know.

 

Go to their respective websites and READ. You have to read to find out. Both parties will skew their rhetoric and you have to go and see EXACTLY how it's laid out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[WARPIG]

Bandit99 ]

So War pig, I just want to make sure I read you right. It appears as though through your posting, that you are a free thinker or want us to believe that. Yet wouldn't a free thinker be rooting for individuals they feel best suit them. People they feel are best for the country and not vote along party lines?

 

I mean come on. It appears with your last few post you are a follower of the party, and not individuals and what they represent? Am I missing something?

 

I am most assured you will indeed tell me I am.

 

I can only look at all that has transpired here and I would venture to guess that many would call it the same way, that you are not being an independent thinker here but a champion for the Democratic party as a whole?

 

LOL! Good call Bandit. With that last post I can see how that would be a conclusion. I've been a registered independent all my life and have never voted in any primary. I support no party whole heartedly. I have some republican views, fiscal responsibility, border control, keeping our military strong... ect. But for the most part I DO fall onto the Dems side with a lot of my views. This doesn't mean I'm not a free thinker or am in league with the Dem party. LOL I just like politics and think the repubs are getting what they deserve. An ass kicking. They did in 2006 and they are now. I think it's funny. I'd actually like one party to have control right now. That way at the end of these next 4 years... we will know who to blame is it goes wrong or right. I hope I cleared that up for you and again, good call... but I was simply pointing out what was going on.

[HogWild_101st]

Who used government computers illegally to violate Joe The Plumber's privacy by digging for dirt to be used in national news publications?

 

http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/27/copy/joe28.html?adsec=politics&sid=101

 

The Ohio Inspector General. Why would she do such a thing?

 

http://minx.cc/?post=276707

 

She's an Obama supporter. How much of an Obama supporter?

 

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.php?name=Jones-Kelley&state=OH&zip=&employ=&cand=&c2008=Y&sort=N&capcode=dfrqh&submit=Submit

 

A max donor.

 

CHANGE you can't believe....

[WARPIG]

So let me get this straight... if you're a Obama supporter who's given the max you can legally give, somehow you shouldn't do your job as inspector general? bahhaahaaa!!! Nice cherry picking of articles.

 

I know you want everyone to believe it was all Obama's fault that Joe was scrutinized over, but that is just factually incorrect. There's no connection to the Obama campaign.

 

It's not like she was actually working for the campaign and saw that they were losing and concocted some crazy story of an Obama supporter attacking her and craving a "B" in her face.

 

TRUE CHANGE...

 

 

 

 

 

[WARPIG]

[CDBS14]

lol, his shoes.

[STREETSWEEPR1]

yeah lets let a guy who was in senate for 6 months run the fucking country..

real inteligent........

 

do you guys not see he has aready change his policies every week...HOW CAN YOU BE BLIND.....

 

and LIKE I SAID HE IS ALREADY SPENDING, WANTS TO CUT MILITARY FUNDING , TAKE YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY AND GIVE IT TOO WELFARE ...HE WILL BRING CAPITALISM TO A GREAT EXTENT..

 

we fought this shit when we left europe 400 years ago...lets not bring it back

 

but why do we preach here ya'll ovbiously dont give a fuck what the facts are and will vote because he is like bush...lmfao dumbest shit i ever heard........

 

so which one of u stand downtown with a little sign saying" no more bush no more bush"

 

 

ya'll made up your minds and will vote socialist/communist instead of american....

 

see ya'll nov.5 when JOHHNY MAC and the republicans save the U.S.A..

 

 

 

 

 

Dude... please... start cutting the pills in half man. Nothing you are saying is true or coherent. Try again.

you know damn well it is true.......i dont know what ya'll dont see ....

do you not hear him changing his policies everyweek or

do you not see he has ties to bill ayers in 03' backing the dudes books and shit

do you not see he has no expierience at all(6 months in the senate)

do you really think that he should take your wealth and my wealth and spread it around ...last i checked that is called charity and it is done willinly not by the government

 

do you see what will happen when he taxes all these big company's ..they wont eat the cost you and me will everything will cost more to pay for the taxes

do you not see that it will be an all democratic ruled government with no check or balances.

do you not see he is goin to cut the military almost in half

do you not see that obama will not cross the aisle he doesnt and hasnt worked with republicans and john mccain has and will reach across and work with the dem....

 

do you not see all this shit....the man has lied on national television numerous time..shit just in the last debate he went from 250 thousand and then said 200 thousand .(but you probally was blind(or deaf)to this)...do you not see it or what?????

 

obama is already SPENDING SPENDING SPENDING........

 

i just dont see what ya'll are looking at in terms of obama beign a better canidate then mccain..

especially with all the stuff that has been coming out in the open lately

 

you can not dig up or find any dirt on john mccain... but when it comes to obamathier is piles of mud you have to swim thruogh just to see the man and then all you hear is economy this bush that....he is brain washing people and it is absolutly ridiculous in my eyes ......

 

he is a damn cult leader

 

 

what do you see better in obama then in mccain

and what do you see in and all democratic socialist ran government...

 

 

never mind the man said he thinks we should do three years in high school and a mandatory year service to the country....a lot like communism dont you think

 

one my biggest things is people bitching about healthcare and shit but yet they are on the computer typing on the internet...NOW WE HAVE TO PAY BECUASE THESE OR THOSE PEOPLE CHOSE INTERNET OR CABLE OR DRUGS OVER THEIR FAMILY HEALTHCARE that is bullshit and it is not the government responsibility to make sure your covered it is your own....

 

what about obama saying that are for-fathers were wrong in the contituition saying the government doesnt do enough this and that blah blah blah........the man is trying to change our constitutional rights along with the founding elements of this country AND SOME HOW PEOPLE DO NOT SEE THIS

[RNG187]

street, ya know before this whole thread started i had a ton of respect for you. now seeing how oblivious you are, seeing how you rant and try and force your views on people, i really cant say that i have full respect for you anymore. if you support mccain OR obama, and you have LEGIT, KNOWLEDGEABLE reasons why, then hey good for you. if not? dont try and act like it.

[[*N*]Sal0713]

kinda off topic, but nov.4 is the day the president is elected right?

 

 

[COWonCRACK]

COWonCRACK ]

 

The war in Iraq is still an unjust war.

 

 

according to st. augustine (which is who most politicians go by) the iraq war is just. people might not agree with it but it technically "just".

 

In the first place, the authority of the prince, by whose order the war is undertaken;

"the president declared the war"

 

After lying to the american people about the intel.

 

 

In the second place, there must be a just cause; that is to say, those attacked must have, by a fault, deserved to be attacked.

"they supposedly had wmd's. not to mention the big one is harboring terrorism let alone taking away all civil rights"

 

 

There was no WMDs and anyone who knows anything about the history of Iraq knows that Sadam couldn't stand Alqueda and Bin Laden... so, uh no. He was NOT harboring any terrorist. And Bush ran on not being a nation building platform.

 

 

In the third place, it is necessary that the intention of those who fight should be right; that is to say, that they propose to themselves a good to be effected or an evil to be avoided.

"to save people from terrorists"

 

HUH? LOL!!! There were NO terrorist there until we stuck our fat nose into it! LOL

 

 

and if the leading supporters here for obama and mcain can please tell me what exactly there going to do for taxes i would like to know.

 

Go to their respective websites and READ. You have to read to find out. Both parties will skew their rhetoric and you have to go and see EXACTLY how it's laid out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol but still, its not like sadam didnt deserve it.? the shit he was doin to people, the cause was just, but our execution was terrible. and i agree we shouldnt be there right now. we should be focusing on Afghanistan.

[STREETSWEEPR1]

RNG187 ]

street' date=' ya know before this whole thread started i had a ton of respect for you. now seeing how oblivious you are, seeing how you rant and try and force your views on people, i really cant say that i have full respect for you anymore. if you support mccain OR obama, and you have LEGIT, KNOWLEDGEABLE reasons why, then hey good for you. if not? dont try and act like it.

[/quote']WHAT IS NOT TRUE UP THEIR PLEASE TELL ME

i'm not trying to force anything just trying to open up peoples eyes .....they are blind to this shit....

 

you cant answer my question how do you not see any of those things is what i was asking

 

why are you voting obama

(short and simple)

 

what change?answer that one two

 

and as for respect goes

i dont care really about respect from to many poeple here as they nor you do not know me at all..not even 2% of me and if i really gave it much thought...well lets just say I JUST DONT GIVE A FUUUUUCK.......it is a video game community lets not get too carried away with respect thing o.k

 

we all respect each other to an extent reguardless who it is.

 

 

 

but all in all

i dont care if you respect me or not...it really doesnt bother me if you hate me......

 

I STAND BEHIND THE AMERICAN MILITARY..

 

we are getting weaker while the rest of the world is getting stronger and obama wants to cut the military fundin that alone should give your vote to mccain..TO PROTECT YOUR OWN ASS AND YOUR CHILDS ASS...but i wont knock you if you vote osama..just laugh really hard at you like i do the rest of the people with stickers on their bumpers....(put them on your window....lmfao

 

 

 

but after nov.5

 

go pats

 

and back to regular ole life

 

[WARPIG]

COWonCRACK, I agree Sadam was a horrible guy. But Bush ran on being the guy who was not going to be a nation building potus. If we are going after horrible dictators, why not the shit going down in Dafar? Sadan? There are plenty of dictators to go after... why Sadam? Even Colin Powell's own words before we went in was we have him contained. He is NO threat. Sanctions were working with him. But w/e man... it's nice to know we agree on where we should be now.

[COWonCRACK]

wow, come on guys, i keep reading this stuff and i cant help but sit in awe of what we are saying to eachother. talking about i dont care if u respect me or i have no respect for you. that kind of attitude is exactly why there is war. people cant learn to accept and respect other peoples views. instead we decide things by who yells the loudest and makes the other seem less intelligent?. come on i even posted up one thing about the war and i practically got bitchslapped for it because "my view" is mistaken unintelligent and misinformed. instead of getting all pissed of and saying "thats a lie" or "your wrong" how about something more nice like, well how about from this point of view, or heres a little information about that. i mean wow guys.

[STREETSWEEPR1]

COWonCRACK ]

COWonCRACK ]

 

The war in Iraq is still an unjust war.

 

 

according to st. augustine (which is who most politicians go by) the iraq war is just. people might not agree with it but it technically "just".

 

In the first place, the authority of the prince, by whose order the war is undertaken;

"the president declared the war"

 

After lying to the american people about the intel.

 

 

In the second place, there must be a just cause; that is to say, those attacked must have, by a fault, deserved to be attacked.

"they supposedly had wmd's. not to mention the big one is harboring terrorism let alone taking away all civil rights"

 

 

There was no WMDs and anyone who knows anything about the history of Iraq knows that Sadam couldn't stand Alqueda and Bin Laden... so, uh no. He was NOT harboring any terrorist. And Bush ran on not being a nation building platform.

 

 

In the third place, it is necessary that the intention of those who fight should be right; that is to say, that they propose to themselves a good to be effected or an evil to be avoided.

"to save people from terrorists"

 

HUH? LOL!!! There were NO terrorist there until we stuck our fat nose into it! LOL

 

 

and if the leading supporters here for obama and mcain can please tell me what exactly there going to do for taxes i would like to know.

 

Go to their respective websites and READ. You have to read to find out. Both parties will skew their rhetoric and you have to go and see EXACTLY how it's laid out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol but still, its not like sadam didnt deserve it.? the shit he was doin to people, the cause was just, but our execution was terrible. and i agree we shouldnt be there right now. we should be focusing on Afghanistan.

 

if you raid a drug dealers house and he has nothing that day does that make him not a drug dealer..

 

could you imagine if we didnt go over their and open a can of whoop-ass....wow would this world be dominated by terrorist look at europe they cant fight anyone they are so dis-mantled by socialism and terror...thier government is so fucked up..

i wish we could just pull out but it would be to devastating to the world as we know it.....

 

i wish we never went thier but WE HAD TO .....JUST HAD TO BE DONE like the man said the outcome wasnt the best but we are gettin the job done now.......now we just need to get some of the IRAQ money that we have spent over their ..........and then who the fuck knows........all i know is i got ya'lls back if it comes down to it reguardless who you vote for or believe in

[COWonCRACK]

COWonCRACK, I agree Sadam was a horrible guy. But Bush ran on being the guy who was not going to be a nation building potus. If we are going after horrible dictators, why not the shit going down in Dafar? Sadan? There are plenty of dictators to go after... why Sadam? Even Colin Powell's own words before we went in was we have him contained. He is NO threat. Sanctions were working with him. But w/e man... it's nice to know we agree on where we should be now.

 

yes i can probably agree to that. but i still think the war was "technically" just:D. the cause was good, even though it was unintended(getting rid of sadam) and he might not have been a threat to us, but he was still a large threat to his own people. and when i say just, thats only by st. augustines criteria .

[STREETSWEEPR1]

COWonCRACK ]

wow, come on guys, i keep reading this stuff and i cant help but sit in awe of what we are saying to eachother. talking about i dont care if u respect me or i have no respect for you. that kind of attitude is exactly why there is war. people cant learn to accept and respect other peoples views. instead we decide things by who yells the loudest and makes the other seem less intelligent?. come on i even posted up one thing about the war and i practically got bitchslapped for it because "my view" is mistaken unintelligent and misinformed. instead of getting all pissed of and saying "thats a lie" or "your wrong" how about something more nice like, well how about from this point of view, or heres a little information about that. i mean wow guys.

thank you bud (not taking you down with me tho)that is what i am saying respect has nithing to do with thi=s at the ned of the day i have just as respect for you as i did at the begining of the day....

 

i just dont take the respect thing to the head as i sorta (forum-ly) know rng

but i too got the bitch slap and under educated thing....lol

 

o-well

 

 

 

 

JUST REMEMBER WHY WE ARE HERE BECUASE WE ALL LOVE" THE SOCOM"

[CDBS14]

how about this, we all go on socom on election day, order some pizza, tacos, chinese idk anything to eat and shoot each other until a president is announced.

[cBs_Warlock]

CDBS14 ]

how about this' date=' we all go on socom on election day, order some pizza, tacos, chinese idk anything to eat and shoot each other until a president is announced.

[/quote']

 

I do that everyday

[Squid]

I don't think that the reasons for the Iraq War should be a factor in choosing the President. Personally, I said it in another post; does doing the right thing for the wrong reason make it the wrong thing to do? My answer is no. Saddam was a bad man, he's dead, we're trying to help the country stabilize the government, end of story.

 

The difference between McCain and Obama is on Iraq is a matter of time. How much longer will we stay depending on who gets elected. Personally I would like to see it done right so that we don't have to go back. If we announce to the world the day we plan to leave, then the insurgents will just chill and wait till we're gone. That's why we need to make sure their government is strong enough to fight off any insurgency.

 

As far as healthcare, we live in a capitalist society. Money talks and healthcare will always cost an arm and a leg.

 

As far as taxes, the comment that Obama made to Joe the plumber was his dumbest move yet. I was watching tv that morning and I heard it live when he said it. I've busted my ass for 14 years to get to where I am. My wife and I will be breaking 6 figures for the first time in our lives and we're damn excited about it. In addition to that, I've considered opening my own small business. The notion that he would tax me even more so that the people who make less than I do can get a bigger refund every year is absurd. I realize there's more to his tax plan than that statement, but he has said it multiple times and I think that "spread the wealth" goes against everything that America stands for.

 

 

[HogWild_101st]

SQUlD ]

I realize there's more to his tax plan than that statement, but he has said it multiple times and I think that "spread the wealth" goes against everything that America stands for.

 

Agree 100% with that sentence.

[brown_mustang]

SQUlD ]

I don't think that the reasons for the Iraq War should be a factor in choosing the President. Personally, I said it in another post; does doing the right thing for the wrong reason make it the wrong thing to do? My answer is no. Saddam was a bad man, he's dead, we're trying to help the country stabilize the government, end of story.

 

The difference between McCain and Obama is on Iraq is a matter of time. How much longer will we stay depending on who gets elected. Personally I would like to see it done right so that we don't have to go back. If we announce to the world the day we plan to leave, then the insurgents will just chill and wait till we're gone. That's why we need to make sure their government is strong enough to fight off any insurgency.

 

As far as healthcare, we live in a capitalist society. Money talks and healthcare will always cost an arm and a leg.

 

As far as taxes, the comment that Obama made to Joe the plumber was his dumbest move yet. I was watching tv that morning and I heard it live when he said it. I've busted my ass for 14 years to get to where I am. My wife and I will be breaking 6 figures for the first time in our lives and we're damn excited about it. In addition to that, I've considered opening my own small business. The notion that he would tax me even more so that the people who make less than I do can get a bigger refund every year is absurd. I realize there's more to his tax plan than that statement, but he has said it multiple times and I think that "spread the wealth" goes against everything that America stands for.

 

 

 

Great post Squid, I agree.

[WARPIG]

SQUlD ]

I don't think that the reasons for the Iraq War should be a factor in choosing the President. Personally, I said it in another post; does doing the right thing for the wrong reason make it the wrong thing to do? My answer is no. Saddam was a bad man, he's dead, we're trying to help the country stabilize the government, end of story.

 

The difference between McCain and Obama is on Iraq is a matter of time. How much longer will we stay depending on who gets elected. Personally I would like to see it done right so that we don't have to go back. If we announce to the world the day we plan to leave, then the insurgents will just chill and wait till we're gone. That's why we need to make sure their government is strong enough to fight off any insurgency.

 

As far as healthcare, we live in a capitalist society. Money talks and healthcare will always cost an arm and a leg.

 

As far as taxes, the comment that Obama made to Joe the plumber was his dumbest move yet. I was watching tv that morning and I heard it live when he said it. I've busted my ass for 14 years to get to where I am. My wife and I will be breaking 6 figures for the first time in our lives and we're damn excited about it. In addition to that, I've considered opening my own small business. The notion that he would tax me even more so that the people who make less than I do can get a bigger refund every year is absurd. I realize there's more to his tax plan than that statement, but he has said it multiple times and I think that "spread the wealth" goes against everything that America stands for.

 

 

 

Well we are already covered our differences on Iraq in that other thread so I'm not going to duplicate my thoughts here. LOL As for the "spread the wealth" comment that is being butchered to death out there. I know you watched it live, but I encourage to to listen to it again... the whole clip on youtube. What he says there is thoughtful, concise and makes perfect sense. No one is going to take YOUR money and give it to some shlep sitting on the porch drinking a 40oz all day and not working! LOL That's just silly and ppl who think that don't understand his plan at all. That didn't happen back in the 90's when Clinton was in office.

 

I'll tell you what goes against what america stand for... spreading the wealth upwards to the 1% of our country. Pushing the middle class down into the lower class as the rich just get richer. No time in our country has there been such a stark difference in the haves and the have nots. That's un-american IMO. I think it's truly disgusting to see so many ppl throwing around the word, Socialist, Marxist and Communist in these closing days of the election to scare ppl from voting for Obama. PPL who cry socialist don't know what the word means. Plain and simple.