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The frame rate cap would make my eyes bleed...

Would there be a possibility of beta tournaments? PC?

What about H-Hour?

A few old AieL play League of Legends, I've been doing that and have recently gotten into CSGO. Surprised that more Socom guys don't play the game tbh.

Looks like someone else did a similar analysis:

http://kotaku.com/hackers-claim-takedown-of-battle-net-league-of-legends-1491906080 I think the thing these script kiddies don't realize is that doing things like this will only force companies to change how the internet works. Cable companies already are lobbying to change the internet to a subscription based model, I think actions like this, PSN, and everything else only justify this for the government and companies who rely upon the internet.

Merry Christmas

For anyone interested, going post some of the more prominent Steam sales here. Flash sales change often so won't be posting those. You can save the most on those. Sale from 12/19-12/21 Bioshock Infinite: $9.99 Dead Island $4.99 Batman Arkham Origins: $29.99 Dishonored: $9.99 Metal Gear Rising: $19.99

The other day I came to a realization when I ran into several young gamers. I asked them what games they are playing and if they are getting the new consoles. Their response blew me away. They responded, "nah, I'm more into PC games right now". One must ask themselves why is this? Outside of COD YouTube celebrities. What games and platforms are these YouTube idols playing? The MOST popular YT Channel (fact) is Pewdiepie (PC Games). The top 6 channels are primarily PC gamers. See for yourself: http://vidstatsx.com...gaming-channels . I can think of a few COD YT celebs who have moved to PC gaming (Seananners, Gunnsforhire, etc). Because of Minecraft and YouTube, the next generation of gamers are growing up playing PC games.

Certainly, the basis of the argument was based upon not buying games when they cost full price/at release. For someone like myself who only ever bought the following games on release night or within the first few months: MGS4, COD WAW, Black Ops 1 (release), Socom 4 (release), MW3 (release), Black Ops 2 (release), during the entire last gen console time period, buying games later at significantly discounted prices is a great bargain for me. What this has also allowed me to do is play other games I have never played before. It is so much easier to justify taking a risk on a game when it costs $5 than when it costs $20. I think my favorite example of this is the first Deus Ex. I never would have even tried to play that game on console, but since I got it for about $5 last Christmas, I found it became one of my favorite games all time. An interesting thing to look at is my brother (LunaticWolf). He has over 300 games on Steam. He built his computer in 2008 for about $900. Just a few weeks ago, he upgraded to a new build that will last him until the next next gen consoles release. His 2008 build was a Core2Duo on a socket 775. His upgrade was a GTX 670 (I sold him mine ~$350), Haswell i5 & socket 1150 motherboard (~$360). A RAM change was not necessary. I don't see a change coming for RAM until they can justify needing to run DDR-5 on the motherboard. In my opinion because the PS3 and 360 were such a great value for their performance in 2006, it was definitely a no-brainer, and the rise in console gaming in that period of time, the markets, specifically the system requirements for games, and the technology have slowed down. On average the past 4 generations of video cards are 10% improvement each generation. With this rate, I can justify using my GPU for another good 5 years. I can just speak from what I've heard from other people, but back in early 2000s, each iteration of generation of new tech was such a vast improvement from the previous generation, it became a rat-race to keep up so you could run the latest games. My brother was nearly able to get a GTX 265 to last nearly 5 years. In another thread on this forum a few months ago I showed Crysis 1 on PC in 2007. Graphics have not improved that much since then. An interesting note is that with the advent of the required PSN Plus for multiplayer, this is essentially the cost of a average PC gamers video card ($250 for 5 years, $500 for 10 years). So actually the only difference in upgrades is the CPU/Mobo every 5 years, but that total cost is very close to that of the money you will spend on the two consoles in those same 10 years. If we expand the previous analysis to accommodate a 10-year period we get: He owns 325 games on PC. If we figure my cost per game: $400/70 games = ~$6 per game, and expand that to his games: 325 games * $6 = $2000. To summarize: [table=width: 600, class: grid] 10 Years Cost Games Bro's PC $3600 325 Games Xbox One + Xbox 2 $4000 48 Games PS4 + PS5 $3800 48 Games + 120 Games [/table] I did not know that PSN Plus gives you games, that really gives PS4 a value that X1 doesn't have. Shane, is there a list somewhere where I can see the types of games they are providing for this? Giving games on the store does make me wonder how much of that is to get people used to downloading games off of the store, but that's neither here nor there. I would like to note that if I ever did get a console for this gen, I would most likely get a PS4. I see no reason to get an X1. I find this point interesting because when someone makes this point in multiplayer situations I don't agree. By better you would be referring to features like volumetric smoke, draw distance, etc. Especially in games that console players are used to, these visual effects are removed from multiplayer for balance. This type of issue is quite apparent on BF4 on PS4, which is a PC port. If a player was using this bush for cover, they would be exposed at distance, but hidden only when they are close. This is due to limitations of the console. Smoother is something closely tied to better because as you crank settings up you can sacrifice this on some systems. However, with G-Sync coming out. This will no longer be an issue because frame rate drops obvious anymore.

So, I needed a break from the mundane end of semester ass kicking and did some interesting analysis. So my PC would be considered an above average gaming PC. By no means is this what you have to spend to have a great experience, in fact I find the sweet spot to be around ~$1100 (+/-$100). This provides a great price to performance ratio. Next, I went through my receipts on games I have gotten on PC, totaled what I spent on each game and then found the retail price for those games, then totaled everything up. Amount of games owned: 70 Amount of major titles owned: 46 (major titles as in BF/COD/Bioshock/Crysis/Metro) Money spent on those games: $390.39 Total value of games: $1454.49 Total savings in games: $1055.10 (Retail cost - Money Spent on games) Cost of computer: $1767.58 Grand Total: $2100 Now for the interesting part, I wondered how far $2100 would go on a console. For this I considered a few things. I found that the average gamer buys ~4 new games per year. In my time of owning my PS3 I had to buy 2 controllers and a headset. I'm guessing unless you break controllers left and right, 2 controllers for 5 years is a good average. As for the headset, I bought a pair of Trittons and some TB x12s. But I think on average a person will get 1 headset every 5 years. On average, gaming headsets cost ~$80. The base set up costs for Xbox One are: Console: $499 1 Yr XBL Gold: $59.99 New Game: $59.99 Controller: $74.99 Year 1 Console, XBL Gold, 4 Games, Headset Total: $878.95 Year 2 XBL Gold, 4 Games Total: $299.95 Year 3 XBL Gold, 4 Games, 1 Controller Total: $374.94 Year 4 XBL Gold, 4 Games Total: $299.95 Year 5 XBL Gold, 4 Games, 1 Controller Total: $374.95 Grand 5 Year Total: $2228.73 The similar comparison for PS4 can be made. Console: $399 1 Yr PSN Plus: $49.99 Cost of New Game: $59.99 Cost of Controller: $59.99 Year 1 Total: $768.95 Year 2 Total: $289.95 Year 3 Total: $349.94 Year 4 Total: $289.95 Year 5 Total: $349.94 Grand 5 Year Total: $2048.73 Like I said at the beginning, my computer has quite a few non essential items (closed-loop water cooler, extra RAM, secondary SSD, 4 special function fans). Taking out non essential parts I have a $1400 rig. Then I spent extra money to get higher quality parts. The motherboard and GPU along could save you an additional $200-300 putting the build at an average sweet spot of $1200. (Not to mention my $100 keyboard... HEY I found out I like mechanical keyboards, leave me alone!). So a regular gaming build should put you at that $1100 price point. A budget build is around $800, although you may have to make addition upgrades in the 5 year period, so I'll tac on ~$200 in upgrades. An economy build can be as low as $350 ( ) with upgrade availability, but you won't get as good of graphics as the next gen consoles. Personally I wouldn't recommend this. To summarize: [table=width: 600, class: grid] 5 Years Cost Games Xbox One $2228.73 20 Games i2's PC $2157.97 70 Games PS4 $2048.73 20 Games Balanced PC $1500 70 games Budget PC $1300 70 games [/table] I think its an interesting discussion. In the end it really comes down to what you are looking for. In the end you will spend the same amount of money getting 4 games per year plus subscription fees on console as you will on a above average PC.

Mantle could help consoles, but you still wont get higher antialiasing or anistropic filtering (things that make sub-4K resolution games look better) nor higher resolution textures. I'm not sure consoles will support G-Sync as you need an nVidia card to utilize that. I do feel that this video's "performance/high end" PC is a bit on the too expensive side, as I spent about half of that on my current box and get similar performance. It is an interesting comparison either way. PC gaming is not for everyone but I think if you look at it objectively you find that even if you put more money up front into building/buying a PC, with the amount you save on games (as they sometimes release at lower price than console counterpart, or drop in price sooner, or even hit the steam sale) you end up spending less money in the end. Once I crunched the numbers there was no question which one was right for me. I'm actually interested in seeing how much money I have saved, I'll get back to you on that (off to crunch numbers).

Thought it was a bit interesting. What are your thoughts?

I was simply making a statement, sucks for both sides. Not sure where that negative comment comes from in direction to me. AC was Director usergroup for the majority of the time in the past 2 years. Granted I can't speak for the back end stuff but anyway, I always thought he was a good dude. The post wasn't showing up as the 3rd page was not visible when I returned so I assumed it was removed. Anway, just waiting for H-Hour.

Ah shoot, my non-biased post got removed.

Seems really similar to what is supposedly patented by UF. Was just curious what the thought on that was from the Directors?

This really is unfortunate. I don't see how this situation could be resolved. Sad to see AC leave as well (side note btw).

I think he did mention that they will be using a game engine (kit) of sorts. Sort of like unreal or the other numerous ones out there. So getting some semblance of a game won't take very long since they won't be creating their own game engine. Heck most games nowadays are made this way anyway and the devs are merely just content creators and script writers (code/game logic not story) using dev tool kits created by other companies.

Just curious if UF will be supporting the PC version of H-Hour?

So the 24 hour requirement has been revoked... Just don't understand how other sites (most recently the SEALS tournament which has rules similar to UF) are able to successfully launch and actually complete tournaments yet this place can't even finish PS3. Maybe if ownership put in the effort, like the type you finally put in since BO2 release, things would be different. Just doesn't make sense. Especially from a business prospective.

That great and all. I hope this means the community here will actually get something out of UF being in balls deep with Sony, but seems odd to pretend to support Xbox. If it's exclusive, then embrace it.

Damn, baconreader trolled me...

Dang, Mr. Sears didn't respond to your question Shane. I'm glad they are releasing this on PC; however, some of the items he talks about in the AMA, I'm not sure how that would work on the PS4.

I just don't understand this concept. There are still going to be millions of people getting the X1 (not me), I've never understood why UF continues to limit itself.

From what I understand, the kinect functioning properly is required for the Xbox to operate.